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Books in New Trek universe - spoilers in link?

^ Yep. Nature of the tie-in business.

Still, the licensing department has always been good about working with the editors to steer stories away from potential pitfalls caused by anything in production. It's not without its occasional kinks, but overall the process works well enough.
 
Isn't it a bit too early for nuTrek literature? I mean, with 4 novels for 2010, and possibly another 4 to 8 novels before the next movie is released, won't you risk that most of the stories and character developments will be rendered pointless by the next movie,
We knew the job was dangerous when we took it.

and/or risk to take a good story idea away from the next movie?
Not possible. If the movie wants to do something identical to what we do in the book, they can. If they want to make a movie out of one of our books, they can do so without paying us another red cent. Once we write something for Star Trek, it belongs to CBS Television, and the entity known as Star Trek can use our work product any way it likes. So it's impossible for us to "take something away from the scriptwriters."

How do you know what you can write and what you can't?
That's what editors and licensing executives do.

Or will the scriptwriters consider the books and don't contradict them, in order to keep them interesting for people who are supposed to get interested in the tie-in literature by watching the movies?
They don't care what we do; we are utterly insignificant to them, and they do not waste one second or a single brain cell thinking about us or what we do as they contemplate the story of the next movie.
 
Christopher put it best. Our job is to maintain the status quo established at the end of the movie, not push beyond it. These aren't serialized novels; they're standalone adventures in which the characters are going to act like they did in the movie.

In other words, McCoy is going to be Kirk's oldest friend and confidante, plus kind of cranky, you know? Chekov is young and impetuous. Chekov is cool and professional. Scotty is a bit of a scamp, with a funny alien sidekick. Kirk and Spock are learning to work together as a team. Uhura and Spock have feelings for each other . . . .

Any major character developments will take place in the next movie. In the meantime, the crew is going to have some fun new adventures.
 
Isn't it a bit too early for nuTrek literature? I mean, with 4 novels for 2010, and possibly another 4 to 8 novels before the next movie is released, won't you risk that most of the stories and character developments will be rendered pointless by the next movie, and/or risk to take a good story idea away from the next movie? How do you know what you can write and what you can't?

What you're describing is the way tie-ins have always worked, and it's never stopped them from being published before. The first TOS tie-in comics were out within a year of the show's premiere and were wildly inconsistent with the show. The first tie-in novels to TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT came out within a year of their premieres, sometimes sooner, and were often written before the shows were even filmed, based solely on writers' bibles and scripts. If anything, these Abramsverse novels are coming out comparatively late in the game.

And yes, contradiction is always a risk. Many, many Trek novels and comics published over the past 40 years have been contradicted by later episodes and films. Sometimes they've been contradicted by episodes that aired before they even came out. That's just a hazard of the genre.

But then, it's a hazard of science fiction in general, except there the stories are contradicted by real scientific discoveries or historical events -- again, sometimes before the stories are even published. It's the nature of any speculative literature -- in this case, speculating about the experiences the movie's characters might have after the movie -- that it runs the risk of being invalidated by later developments. But that doesn't keep us from writing it, and it shouldn't. The goal isn't to be "right." The goal is to tell entertaining, thought-provoking stories.

All we can do is try to minimize the risk of contradiction by telling self-contained stories that don't change the characters or the status quo or lock down too much about the broader universe. In other words, to do it the way tie-ins to ongoing series have always been done. And if we get contradicted anyway, well, we'll be in good company, because plenty of terrific works of Trek fiction have been contradicted by later productions. If the story's genuinely good and enjoyable, then it should still be enjoyable whether it's consistent with the next movie or not.

Besides, the movie's in an alternate timeline anyway, right? So who's to say that timeline couldn't split into further alternate timelines? ;)


Or will the scriptwriters consider the books and don't contradict them, in order to keep them interesting for people who are supposed to get interested in the tie-in literature by watching the movies?

Absolutely not. Less than two percent of the moviegoing audience will ever read the books, so it wouldn't be worth it for the filmmakers to limit themselves like that. Besides, it would be the tail wagging the dog. It's their series. They're the ones in charge of Star Trek now, and Star Trek is a film and television franchise. The books are merely derivative works following their lead, a very minor sidebar of the franchise. It's not our place to set the filmmakers' agenda for them. We're just borrowing their toys, handling them delicately, and putting them back in the box when we're done playing with them.
 
...In other words, McCoy is going to be Kirk's oldest friend and confidante, plus kind of cranky, you know? Chekov is young and impetuous. Chekov is cool and professional. Scotty is a bit of a scamp, with a funny alien sidekick. Kirk and Spock are learning to work together as a team. Uhura and Spock have feelings for each other . . . .

Yes, I think this was my concern, that the core of the characters would remain the same and recognizable enough that I feel like I still know the characters.
 
If you like how the characters were handled in the movie, you should find more of the same in the books . . . .

At least that's the idea!
 
Do you find that extremely difficult/frustrating? One of my favorite things from books, films and tv shows is exploring characters' backgrounds, learning more about them. If nothing else, it helps the characters to feel more 'real', and helps me to care more about a character.
I guess you can't really do any of that stuff - your stories have to remain rooted in the 'now'.

Will any of their "unseen" pasts be explored? And how those pasts are different from what we know in the Original Trek universe?

My guess is: that's a big NO.
 
Hey, I'm still trying to figure out how the warp drive works . . . .
Water pressure. And magnets.

And the Law of Gravity. Whatever did they do before the law was passed?

Will any of their "unseen" pasts be explored? And how those pasts are different from what we know in the Original Trek universe?

My guess is: that's a big NO.

As was said, that kind of stuff is for the next few movies to reveal.
 
Do you find that extremely difficult/frustrating? One of my favorite things from books, films and tv shows is exploring characters' backgrounds, learning more about them. If nothing else, it helps the characters to feel more 'real', and helps me to care more about a character.
I guess you can't really do any of that stuff - your stories have to remain rooted in the 'now'.

What you have to understand is that this is the way tie-ins are almost always done. The way it's been in Trek Lit for the past decade, where we have the freedom to actually develop the characters and situations and introduce our own original concepts and characters and bring about real change, is extremely rare. So it's not like that's the default and we're frustrated when we don't get to do it. Rather, we're privileged to get to do it at all, and when we have to follow more conventional tie-in rules, that's just the normal state of affairs reasserting itself.

Of course, that's me being philosophical. I'm in the unusual position where most of the tie-in work I've done has given me the opportunity for real change and development and original concepts and stuff. So yeah, it's a challenge to adapt to working with more conventional tie-in limits, as I did in my Marvel novels and in Seek a Newer World. But I've found an approach that works fairly well. If I don't get to change the characters, at least I can explore them -- tell stories that challenge their core beliefs and relationships and then have them reassert them at the end. So that even if they end up where they started, hopefully the reader has gained some more insight into who they are and why they do what they do.
 
^ Yep. Nature of the tie-in business.

Still, the licensing department has always been good about working with the editors to steer stories away from potential pitfalls caused by anything in production. It's not without its occasional kinks, but overall the process works well enough.


Exactly. Where possible, the licensors do try to give us a heads-up sometimes. "You probably don't want to use that character because we're turning her into a newt next season . . . ."
 
^If anything, I think I may have been too conservative. If I'd known you could get away with a novel revolving around Spock Prime and his knowledge of the future, I'd probably have beaten you to it, Greg.
 
Well, I just delivered the ms., so I'm not going to jinx it by saying anything! :)
 
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What I want to know about the nuTrek books is this; is there going to be an attempt to keep the books tied together continuity-wise, like is being done with the Prime Universe stuff now? Or are we basically going back to the way Trek lit used to be, where things in one book have no bearing on and may, in fact outright contradict what's in the other books?

I mean, if the movies end up contradicting something, that's one thing....

Edit.. nevermind. I missed a couple of posts the first time through. Sorry. it is 5:30 in the morning here. lol

Glad to see that some attempt at keeping them from contradicting each other is being made. :)
 
Once we write something for Star Trek, it belongs to CBS Television, and the entity known as Star Trek can use our work product any way it likes. So it's impossible for us to "take something away from the scriptwriters."

So that whole thing with Harlan Ellison was a special case, then?
 
Mr. Ellison was a screenwriter hired by the television show to provide a script, and yes, his contract/deal was much different than a standard media tie-in work-for-hire agreement.
 
Keenser also has a small role in Seek a Newer World. I couldn't really do much with him, though, since the movie established so little about him and we can't stray far beyond that.
 
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