any one else sick of the arrogant mac vs pc ads?

[Lindley]

They claim Macs are so much better with performance, graphics, security, stability, etc..... well for the three years I was in photography (among other jobs I had to use Macs in) we used a G5 mac with their newest OS at the time. Photoshop continually crashed on me more then once a day. Either Photoshop would just shut down and I'd lose my work, or the whole thing would lock up and the only way out of it was to turn it off and back on again.

No error reports, no understanding what actually happened.... you just gotta hope it doesn't happen again, which it continually did.

Eventually we pumped in more RAM, a new CPU, a top of the line video card and everything else we could think of...... well.... the Mac ran faster....... Crashed faster too.

We also had a PC we used as backup, it had half the resources of the Mac and due to this, yes it was a bit slower in doing things, but guess what?

Nothing crashed on the PC and I could spend the entire day on the PC working on photos without having to restart or shutdown for whatever reason.

There are any number of things which could destabilize a system. The Photoshop version could simply be unstable. There may have been a daemon running in the background causing problems. It's not necessarily the OS's fault.

Not only that but Windows has a hell of a lot better Task Manager program for ending programs and processes before they screw up. On the Mac, even their version sometimes would just simply lock up or simply not shut down the program in question.

In the pre-OSX days this was very much true----Force Quit was next to useless. However, the OSX equivalent works fine. I've only encountered occasional programs that refuse to be closed by it, and it's never locked up the machine.

I also didn't like the whole idea of buying an over priced, over glorified computer that came with a mouse that only had one damn button. Sure you can go out and buy a cheap wheel mouse with two buttons or more..... but for the amount you're already paying for a Mac, you'd think tossing in one of these decent $20 mice with wheel and two buttons wouldn't be asking for much.

The notion that more than one button should be required is a conceit you bring with you from Windows. It is not inherantly better. The workflow on a Mac is designed such that multiple buttons are not required.

Multiple buttons are supported because a lot of people are used to working that way-----but the OS is simply not designed around that concept.

Secondary-button tasks (supported via control-clicks on a one-button mouse) have started appearing here and there just because the momentum in that regard is clear, but I don't blame Apple for trying a different approach. Being different is the whole point, after all.

And the whole argument that Mac's don't get viruses, thus you don't need an anti-virus program?

Nobody's suggesting it's a good idea not to have an anti-virus program. Just that you're far less likely to run into any trouble even if you don't.

If suddenly the majority of the world used Macs.....

That will never happen, thus any line of reasoning predicated on this condition is irrelevant.

Sure Macs are fancy looking. Some of them I wouldn't mind using as fish tanks.

The design of the original iMac was inspired by a dog carrier, so the story goes.

 

[Marc]

There are any number of things which could destabilize a system. The Photoshop version could simply be unstable. There may have been a daemon running in the background causing problems. It's not necessarily the OS's fault.

There hae been times when Adobe has managed to turn Photoshop in to a real dog of a program no matter what the platform.

I suggest people also read up on the history of Adobe because without Apple it's quite possible there would be no photoshop becasue for many years the Mac was the dominant platform for graphic design and that because Photoshop started out as Mac app (though the involvement between the two goes back much further).

 

[AnyStar]

i couldnt live with only one moust button, as it is i use a mouse with FOUR buttons and also a clickable wheel...

i could live with only 2 and a clicky wheel, but still i wouldnt want to.

with the 3d apps i use, the ability to map commands to those extra buttons, while still having the single and context clicks are an enormous time saver!

 

[AnyStar]

There are any number of things which could destabilize a system. The Photoshop version could simply be unstable. There may have been a daemon running in the background causing problems. It's not necessarily the OS's fault.

There hae been times when Adobe has managed to turn Photoshop in to a real dog of a program no matter what the platform.

I suggest people also read up on the history of Adobe because without Apple it's quite possible there would be no photoshop becasue for many years the Mac was the dominant platform for graphic design and that because Photoshop started out as Mac app (though the involvement between the two goes back much further).

in my opinion, running any adobe products at all on a windows system is a gigantic resource drain. i have them, and i use them, but prefer other comprable titles that are designed around windows os.

even loading the things takes forever!

 

[Chess Piece Face]

I've used photoshop on many different G5's of the time. It never crashed. Something was wrong if your photoshop was crashing everyday. That simply is not typical.

 

[Shaw]

Ever had the chance to play with a genuine NeXT system? Can remember reading about them in Byte when they came out in '88 and drooling

Hadn't known that OpenStep was ported to the Sparc - had a 10 many years go but never did that much with it (a second CPU module and 24bit graphics card might of made a difference) so sold it.

Yes... lots of them. I had a grayscale NeXTstation in the cubical I shared while working at the NSF Geometry Center, and most of the 15 common workstations there were NeXTstations or Cubes (with a couple Suns and four SGI IRIS Indigos).

The main thing I use my SPARCstation for is running my old copy of GeomView (though I also have it installed on my Indy and Indigo 2 IMPACT... but those systems need new displays).

They claim Macs are so much better with performance, graphics, security, stability, etc..... well for the three years I was in photography (among other jobs I had to use Macs in) we used a G5 mac with their newest OS at the time. Photoshop continually crashed on me more then once a day. Either Photoshop would just shut down and I'd lose my work, or the whole thing would lock up and the only way out of it was to turn it off and back on again.

No error reports, no understanding what actually happened.... you just gotta hope it doesn't happen again, which it continually did...

You used a system that crashed more than once a day... and didn't get the system looked at?

That is more a user issue than anything else. Anyone who sits there and takes any computer crashing as a normal thing, gets what they deserve. I'd guess your solution to car problems is to turn up the radio.

When Photoshop (or any other application) crashes a log entry is made showing exactly what process took down the application. A technician can trouble shoot problems even if he wasn't there for them.

On my system Photoshop is up and running 24/7. Because my system logs every time it crashes, I can tell you that it has crashed on me on the following dates...

2009-10-27 14:33:12 -0500
2009-08-12 19:19:31 -0500
2009-02-12 08:13:26 -0600
2009-02-01 21:35:45 -0600
2008-08-26 11:14:09 -0500
2008-03-05 08:23:35 -0600
2008-02-07 23:18:33 -0600​

Right now I have 18 images open in Photoshop, of which only 2 have been recently saved. I wouldn't stand for Photoshop crashing even once a day.

But it sounds like you believed that things running badly on a Mac was normal enough not to seek help... which was most likely the worst problem that that Mac had.

 

[Warped9]

i couldnt live with only one moust button, as it is i use a mouse with FOUR buttons and also a clickable wheel...

Then the new Apple mouse will drive you nuts, although I love it. It has zero buttons because the entire mouse is a button depending on what side you press on, and the entire upper surface is a scrolling control by finger. It's also configurable for right handers or lefties. It comes with every new iMac or you can by it separately.

 

[AnyStar]

you know, i need to find something else that bugs me to complain about... because i'll swear i havnt seen a single one of these commercials since i started this thread

 

[Owain Taggart]

You know what the most ironic thing is in all this? John Hodgman is actually a Mac user. He dislikes PCs.

The guys of Diggnation had a chance to hang out with him:

http://revision3.com/diggnation/hodgman

 

[David cgc]

Well, that doesn't seem too surprising. I'd be weirder if he was actually a big Windows fan but did the Apple ads anyway.