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I am investigating the world of Online Dating.

It's amazing that the only way that men and women can be platonic friends is if the woman preserves the boundry....you mens just love to test that line all the time.

Aside from what's been said----to a certain extent we have to.

In most cases, women don't ask men out, nor do they make their interest obvious if there is any. (Or at least, not obvious to us.) If someone didn't test the waters every now and then, a mutual attraction could go completely unacknowledged. Traditionally it's men who are expected to "make the moves", as it were. If it's unwelcome it's easy enough to make that obvious without undue embarrassment to either party.

Frankly I'm not really happy about it being that way, but usually that's how it is.

There's also the possibility that the guy just likes flirting, and isn't really expecting it to go anywhere.
 
I have to say that if I had the money I'd be very curious about further investigating an introduction service to a Russian or Asian woman. What little experience I've had with online services closer to home is that the women who try to connect with me are usually not at all attractive to me. And those that I find attractive (and I'm not talking model style hot here) often appear to be looking for something I can't offer. Or even if they're of a similar age as myself they come with the complications of children from a previous relationship. Kids aren't necessarily a deal breaker, but they are a potential complication.

I'm interested in sex as much as the next guy, but sex alone isn't enough. I also like to be mentally (intellectually) stimulated to some degree. Hot but dumb (forgive the exaggeration) leaves me stone cold.

Am I expecting too much in terms of physical attractiveness? Well, even at 50 I'm still slim without excess weight anywhere. I've never smoked or done any drugs. I drink moderately. I'm always cleanly groomed. And I'm well mannered. I can also talk on a broad range of subjects so that I don't risk boring anyone with my own hobbies and little obsession. And while I'm not a lady killer in looks I'm also far from being an ogre. I've also got a usually sharp wit and offbeat sense of humour.

But I've had trouble reading signals. And far too often I've let myself fall into the the "good friend" trap. I make friends easily with women, and candidly I'm a little fed-up with it. Years ago I made an effort to be not quite so agreeable and easy-going and to be more upfront with what I think. It's helped some, but at heart it's just not in me to be any sort of "bad boy" or outright asshole.

Being a nice guy can get you tons of respect, but it'll rarely get you laid. :lol:
 
But yes, friendship with a chick is pretty much worth less than nothing.
What a charming fellow. I cannot understand why girls don't swoon all over you.

He's wrong even if he just means in terms of dating. My closest friend's boyfriend was just her pal before they started dating.

Yes. I can be quite the charmer, but in this thread, I'm not gonna be jumping up & down with glee and tossing confetti & glittler all over the place like Rip Tayler, because I have alot of female friends.

Very rarely do 'pals' become friends.


Because with all probability the punk has a better personality than you. Your posts are quite dismal. Work on your abs and your personality issues, and maybe you will get more luck.

I know these punkers, they got the personality of your typical 'bad add rebel' who picks fights with people just for the sake of starting a fight, guzzels beer like it's gonna go outta style, half of them have been arrested for either drugs or domestic assault, and one of them I know shot a man. I don't see any superiority in personality in any of these guys....I mean.....300,000,000 sperm...and those are the ones that got through? :rolleyes:
 
There are some people who emphatically declare that once someone is their friend, they will never be more. I've met people like that, both people I have been interested in and some who I wasn't. Naturally that doesn't mean that everyone is like that, but I think hearing a few say it leads many to believe that it holds true for a great number of people.
 
There are some people who emphatically declare that once someone is their friend, they will never be more. I've met people like that, both people I have been interested in and some who I wasn't. Naturally that doesn't mean that everyone is like that, but I think hearing a few say it leads many to believe that it holds true for a great number of people.

That's true, yes, but I think it's crazy to say that most people are like that. Maybe I've just seen a ton of unusual cases but I think the "girls never let friends become boyfriends" is a myth put out by frustrated people.
 
There are some people who emphatically declare that once someone is their friend, they will never be more. I've met people like that, both people I have been interested in and some who I wasn't. Naturally that doesn't mean that everyone is like that, but I think hearing a few say it leads many to believe that it holds true for a great number of people.

That's true, yes, but I think it's crazy to say that most people are like that. Maybe I've just seen a ton of unusual cases but I think the "girls never let friends become boyfriends" is a myth put out by frustrated people.

Once again, the dominant demographics of this board can help explain the problem. Not that everyone here is socially inept or has trouble dealing with women, but it's a common theme I've noticed here, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys here have been largely "friend zoned." We have a fair number of people who are married or at least in long-term, stable relationships, but also have quite a few who are single and clueless about how to fix that.
 
I have to say that if I had the money I'd be very curious about further investigating an introduction service to a Russian or Asian woman. What little experience I've had with online services closer to home is that the women who try to connect with me are usually not at all attractive to me. And those that I find attractive (and I'm not talking model style hot here) often appear to be looking for something I can't offer. Or even if they're of a similar age as myself they come with the complications of children from a previous relationship. Kids aren't necessarily a deal breaker, but they are a potential complication.

I hear you. One thing I've noticed about the girls in the Asian countries...most of them are NOT looking for the 'Bad Boyz', in fact, with a majority of them, if they find out you are even remotely bad, they run for the hills.

Here in Sotheast Michigan, which is the toilet of the midwest, which is the rear end of the country, the only available girls are either corn-fed bumpkins, or 300 pound sistas. And if there are any hot ones without a guy, they either have a bunch of kids (most of time, each kid has a different dad, all of them are nowhere to be seen (Gotta love them 'bad boyz', eh, girls? :p), are hardcore lesbians, or are the type of chick who won't even let you touch her until you slip a ring on her finger. :cardie:

No matter how how she is, I avoid single moms like the plague. If the kid's all grown and gone, that's one thing, but I am not going to be a replacement father because the chick was dumb enough to think that she could change Mr. Bad Ass into the nice guy she wants him to be, but too stupid to go find a nice guy to begin with.

One such girl, who never gave me the time of day, and all the friendship speeches that we guys and girls(Yes, I know some lesbians who've been burnt as well) and about 2 years ago she called me up...how she got my number is beyond me. Anyhow, she wanted to see me, and catch up on old times over lunch. "Sometime's not right, she was NEVER this friendly with me before," I thought to myself as I put the phone down, "I think there's more to this than what she's saying." So I went down to the resturant she said she'd be at, and waited for her. She showed up...and lemme tell you...that cute little lady was neither so cute, nor little, that she used to be. She put on at least a good 40 pounds (And the fact she was a short girl just made it look worse) :eek:, and she had short, helmet hair that you often see on the wives of conservative polticians. Anyhow, we talked, and I find out she has a daughter and daddy, who was a Snoopdog wannabe, minus the brains and the money, left town upon hearing it....big surprise. :p Anyhow, she was getting very friendly with me, saying how she was so sorry for ignoring me all those years in school and is open to getting to know each other now. :wtf:

Being disgusted at all this...the fact that I was not good enough for her then, and somehow, she's all lovey dovey for me, despite she had plenty of time before, I said, "Hold it right there. You had a chance, you had several chances with me nearly a decade ago...and you blew it. You did not want me back then, why should I want you now? And it's clear that since your irrisistable rebel without a clue decided to go and leave you, you are just putting on this little show cause you think I'm your 'back up plan' and I have no intention of being your back-up plan, aka "Sucker", who you think will wanna get togather with you and raise your kid, who I had nothing to do with." I simply got to my feet and said to her before I left, "Don't ever call me again, or I'll press harrassment charges on you. And if I were you, I would spend less time trying to find a sucker boyfriend, and more time on raising your daughter right, so she won't become someone like you. Good day." I left, but I stopped at the front desk and told the girl there, "That woman at table 11 is covering the bill."

Harsh, yes.....mean, possibly....but I am not, nor do I ever plan to be anyone's back-up plan, and sometimes people like her need an attitude adjuster up their you know whats.

Let's see how many people wanna lynch me, now. :rommie:

I'm interested in sex as much as the next guy, but sex alone isn't enough. I also like to be mentally (intellectually) stimulated to some degree. Hot but dumb (forgive the exaggeration) leaves me stone cold.

Mostly I agree with you. However, finding both can be trickey at times...well...in English speaking countries, anyhow. Though most transgendered girls have both, so that's good. :bolian:

Am I expecting too much in terms of physical attractiveness? Well, even at 50 I'm still slim without excess weight anywhere. I've never smoked or done any drugs. I drink moderately. I'm always cleanly groomed. And I'm well mannered. I can also talk on a broad range of subjects so that I don't risk boring anyone with my own hobbies and little obsession. And while I'm not a lady killer in looks I'm also far from being an ogre. I've also got a usually sharp wit and offbeat sense of humour.

Not at all. My mother always told me, "Reason so many relationships go down the shitter these days is because people are not picky enough." Most people, I see, hook up with ANYONE these days, for fear of being alone. I'm 30, but I am in much better shape and health than when I was 18, I don't smoke, I rarely drink, I take hygene seriously, and make sure I look my best when going anywhere.

It seems, though, that many women find that a turn-off, why, is beyond me....not so "Bad-Ass", I guess. I mean look at the guys that super models and hot actresses hook up with....ungroomed, beer guzzling, tatooed rockers who you find out are not on drugs, because they just found STRONGER drugs that will mess them up even more than before. I doubt Kid Rock gets these hotties because of his looks and personality...whoch he has neither of...and I am in Michigan, and met the douche' once, and he's the king of pricks.


But I've had trouble reading signals. And far too often I've let myself fall into the the "good friend" trap. I make friends easily with women, and candidly I'm a little fed-up with it. Years ago I made an effort to be not quite so agreeable and easy-going and to be more upfront with what I think. It's helped some, but at heart it's just not in me to be any sort of "bad boy" or outright asshole.

Trust me, when nice guy turns into mr. bad-ass, the girls, instead of swooning to him, get upset and dispise him even more....being a nice guy, or becoming a girl's friend....is a a real life Kobiashi Maru, that you can not win. :borg:

Being a nice guy can get you tons of respect, but it'll rarely get you laid. :lol:

I'll take getting laid rather than so-called 'respect'. Most that nice guys get are leftovers....when the chicks, after years of partying, drinking, doing drugs, and banging every guy at said parties, and become all fat, used up and having popped out 6 kids.

Whomever the chick was that said, "Bad Boyz are the ones we fuck, nice guys are the ones we marry!", are the type than makes me, and probably many other guys go :brickwall:

Anyone else but me feel the same way? :vulcan:
 
Once again, the dominant demographics of this board can help explain the problem. Not that everyone here is socially inept or has trouble dealing with women, but it's a common theme I've noticed here, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys here have been largely "friend zoned." We have a fair number of people who are married or at least in long-term, stable relationships, but also have quite a few who are single and clueless about how to fix that.

I think you're right. I think a lot of people complain that they're friend zoned because the woman doesn't show any overt itnerest (and odds are the guy doesn't either) and just give up and say, "Well I've been friend zoned." Go out and say, "Hey, want do we give us a shot and see how it goes? Nothing serious, let's just see how it goes."
 
Once again, the dominant demographics of this board can help explain the problem. Not that everyone here is socially inept or has trouble dealing with women, but it's a common theme I've noticed here, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys here have been largely "friend zoned." We have a fair number of people who are married or at least in long-term, stable relationships, but also have quite a few who are single and clueless about how to fix that.

I think you're right. I think a lot of people complain that they're friend zoned because the woman doesn't show any overt itnerest (and odds are the guy doesn't either) and just give up and say, "Well I've been friend zoned." Go out and say, "Hey, want do we give us a shot and see how it goes? Nothing serious, let's just see how it goes."

Asking is the easy bit. I got no problem with that, just when each chick goes, "I like you alot, and you're cute and all, but can't we just be friends? I'd hate to risk what we have now!" :rolleyes: One tends to get rather annoyed when the same line comes from them.
 
I'd say, "Yeah, I'll risk it. We'll see where it goes and if we don't think it's working we'll go back to how it was." To be honest, though, that line always hit me as, "I'm not really interested in you but I'm going to be nice." Not everyone is meant for everyone. You'll find someone in due time.
 
God I hate the ladder theory.

Good luck in your online endeavours, RoJo, and may you find whatever it is you're looking for! I've heard some pretty awesome "success" stories as well. :)

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I'm 30, but I am in much better shape and health than when I was 18, I don't smoke, I rarely drink, I take hygene seriously, and make sure I look my best when going anywhere.

It seems, though, that many women find that a turn-off, why, is beyond me....not so "Bad-Ass", I guess.

I'm relatively sure that good hygiene and non-smoking aren't the reasons you get turned down. The shape thing is relative, because I have no idea what type of shape you were in when you were 18 (or now) and not every woman likes a guy in good shape anyway. The drinking thing might be an issue if the girl likes to drink more than you do. Actually for that matter, the smoking thing might be too. But good hygiene is pretty universally desired.
 
There are some people who emphatically declare that once someone is their friend, they will never be more. I've met people like that, both people I have been interested in and some who I wasn't. Naturally that doesn't mean that everyone is like that, but I think hearing a few say it leads many to believe that it holds true for a great number of people.

That's true, yes, but I think it's crazy to say that most people are like that. Maybe I've just seen a ton of unusual cases but I think the "girls never let friends become boyfriends" is a myth put out by frustrated people.

Once again, the dominant demographics of this board can help explain the problem. Not that everyone here is socially inept or has trouble dealing with women, but it's a common theme I've noticed here, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys here have been largely "friend zoned." We have a fair number of people who are married or at least in long-term, stable relationships, but also have quite a few who are single and clueless about how to fix that.
Like anything, the extreme cases are the ones that get noticed. People who have a "normal" amount of romantic relationships are not the ones who are going to be talking about them that much. People who have a hard time are the ones that are likely to speak out and ask for advice.

My big problem is not that I'm "friend zoned" by girls that I am interested in. I friend zone them right back. I'm 24 right now, and I can honestly say I haven't had a single crush on anyone since I was 18, and that person was someone I had been friends with for 2 years (turns out she was interested in me when were 16, but I was completely clueless, and then when I expressed interest a couple years later, she basically said I missed the boat).

Believe me, I have a lot of female friends, and I wouldn't hesitate to ask them out if I actually had an interest in pursuing that kind of relationship. I just don't. I like that they're my friends, and I really don't want it to go further than that.

What I want to try and do is think of girls as potential partners right away, but my brain just doesn't work that way.


Oh, and Kestra, we live close enough to each other now that you should be actively trying to hook me up with your hot, single friends. :p
 
I gotta say, good luck man. I've been on an on line dating site for several years now and no dates. Lots of matches, and a few emails but that's pretty much it.


*Your results may vary ...
 
God I hate the ladder theory.

Good luck in your online endeavours, RoJo, and may you find whatever it is you're looking for! I've heard some pretty awesome "success" stories as well. :)

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I'm 30, but I am in much better shape and health than when I was 18, I don't smoke, I rarely drink, I take hygene seriously, and make sure I look my best when going anywhere.

It seems, though, that many women find that a turn-off, why, is beyond me....not so "Bad-Ass", I guess.

I'm relatively sure that good hygiene and non-smoking aren't the reasons you get turned down. The shape thing is relative, because I have no idea what type of shape you were in when you were 18 (or now) and not every woman likes a guy in good shape anyway. The drinking thing might be an issue if the girl likes to drink more than you do. Actually for that matter, the smoking thing might be too. But good hygiene is pretty universally desired.


I seen many good examples of the ladder theory in action, it's alive and well.
 
Whatever you do...don't have sex on the first date or the second...wait til the third or longer.
 
I had to look up what the ladder theory was and, like most relationship theories, it's bullshit. Anyone who claims to know how relationships "really" work is full of crap. People are so different that there is no one theory that can ever be correct.
 
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