Captain Jean-Luc Picard was Undeveloped.

[Bones1864]

Captain Jean- Luc Picard was undeveloped as a character and never fully developed as a Charater on the show. he character lacked even further and regrssed in the TNG movies.
Shouldn't the last 2 TNG films have opened with Picard's recent backstory filled in with him having been given more Responsibility,a Promotion and having more involved with supervising other starships,etc. This would have made sense. It would have given him and his Enterprise reason to be in the area of space where the film's Mission was. Wasted material.

 

[JustKate]

I disagree so much, and have so little time to respond at the moment, that I'm not even sure what to say. I simply cannot even imagine what you mean when you say Picard was not a well-developed character. I know a lot about him; I know what's important to him; I know about his hobbies; I know a little bit about his family; I know how he reacts to situations; when he reacts to a situation in a way that I don't expect, I can see why he would react differently this time; etc., etc., etc...

About the only thing that I don't know about him are some details of his pre-Enterprise career. That I would like to know more about, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary.

What else do you want to know and how would knowing it add to your enjoyment of or appreciation for Trek?

 

[WillsBabe]

I don't think that Picard was undeveloped as a character. What I do think is that there is lots more in the character that could have been explored. I think he is such a well-developed character that he could bear further exploring. And I say that as someone who isn't a fan of the character.

 

[JustKate]

^ Oh, I agree - there's always room for more development with a really worthwhile character.

 

[Alientraveller]

The random comments on this board really catch me off guard - I thought people complained Picard and Date got too much screentime in the films...

 

[Yeoman Randi]

I disagree so much, and have so little time to respond at the moment, that I'm not even sure what to say. I simply cannot even imagine what you mean when you say Picard was not a well-developed character. I know a lot about him; I know what's important to him; I know about his hobbies; I know a little bit about his family; I know how he reacts to situations; when he reacts to a situation in a way that I don't expect, I can see why he would react differently this time; etc., etc., etc...

About the only thing that I don't know about him are some details of his pre-Enterprise career. That I would like to know more about, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary.

What else do you want to know and how would knowing it add to your enjoyment of or appreciation for Trek?

Kathryn, i am so grateful that you are so well spoken. I could never express my thoughts as beautifully as you do, so i just have to come behind you and say, "WHAT SHE SAID!"

 

[Whoa Nellie]

Captain Jean- Luc Picard was undeveloped as a character and never fully developed as a Charater on the show.

I strongly disagree with this. Captain Jean-Luc Picard was a rich, multi-faceted character; one who read ancient Greek and Latin classics and Shakespeare as well as hard-boiled detective novels. He played the flute as well as rode horses, fenced, and did a little rock climbing. He drank tea as well as Aldebaran whiskey. He was a diplomat and explorer with a love of archaeology who also appeared to have a certain degree of special ops training. The erudite who easily rose to the role of action hero when necessary.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Piper]

If Picard is an underdeveloped character, what on earth does that make Harry Kim or Travis Mayweather?

 

[SilentP]

^^ Talking cardboard cutouts?

 

[Red Ranger]

Bones, you are barking up the wrong tree here! -- RR

 

[CaptainStoner]

It's true, Picard was completely undeveloped. We never knew what his background was, who his family was, what his Starfleet career was like, what his hobbies were, love interests, tastes in literature and music, why, we never even knew what his favorite beverage was. Nor did the writers make it so that he had certain phrases he'd repeat, nor did he engage in hand gestures. He was an almost completely bald character, when it comes down to it.

 

[LaBarre]

Whoa Nellie said:

strongly disagree with this. Captain Jean-Luc Picard was a rich, multi-faceted character; one who read ancient Greek and Latin classics and Shakespeare as well as hard-boiled detective novels. He played the flute as well as rode horses, fenced, and did a little rock climbing. He drank tea as well as Aldebaran whiskey. He was a diplomat and explorer with a love of archaeology who also appeared to have a certain degree of special ops training. The erudite who easily rose to the role of action hero when necessary.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

WN, I can't begin to tell you how nice it is to find myself in total agreement with you.

Spot on.

 

[JustKate]

Kathryn, i am so grateful that you are so well spoken. I could never express my thoughts as beautifully as you do, so i just have to come behind you and say, "WHAT SHE SAID!"

Aw, thanks, sis.

It's true, Picard was completely undeveloped. We never knew what his background was, who his family was, what his Starfleet career was like, what his hobbies were, love interests, tastes in literature and music, why, we never even knew what his favorite beverage was. Nor did the writers make it so that he had certain phrases he'd repeat, nor did he engage in hand gestures. He was an almost completely bald character, when it comes down to it.

I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

 

[Shazam!]

^^ Talking cardboard cutouts?

That's being generous.

 

[Praxius]

Captain Jean- Luc Picard was undeveloped as a character and never fully developed as a Charater on the show.

I strongly disagree with this. Captain Jean-Luc Picard was a rich, multi-faceted character; one who read ancient Greek and Latin classics and Shakespeare as well as hard-boiled detective novels. He played the flute as well as rode horses, fenced, and did a little rock climbing. He drank tea as well as Aldebaran whiskey. He was a diplomat and explorer with a love of archaeology who also appeared to have a certain degree of special ops training. The erudite who easily rose to the role of action hero when necessary.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

On top of all that, he also used to be a Kirk-ish hot head as a cadet and got into a lot of trouble to the point where he now has an artificial heart from a fight with a couple of Nausicaans.

His character in my opinion, probably had more development on his background, history and who he really is then most Star Trek characters.

Hell, he even became borg and killed a crap load of his fellow starfleet and continually had to deal with that situation through the TNG series and movies...... when relating to his experiences with the Borg, he shown more of the darker side of humanity and himself that most others didn't really focus much on.

And when he was snapping in First Contact in the Holideck and then again in his ready room about making them pay..... you couldn't ask for anything different.

 

[Red Ranger]

Captain Picard replies, sarcastically:

Red Ranger

 

[Whoa Nellie]

^ Red Ranger I love the pic!

WN, I can't begin to tell you how nice it is to find myself in total agreement with you.

Spot on.

Thank you.

Captain Jean- Luc Picard was undeveloped as a character and never fully developed as a Charater on the show.

I strongly disagree with this. Captain Jean-Luc Picard was a rich, multi-faceted character; one who read ancient Greek and Latin classics and Shakespeare as well as hard-boiled detective novels. He played the flute as well as rode horses, fenced, and did a little rock climbing. He drank tea as well as Aldebaran whiskey. He was a diplomat and explorer with a love of archaeology who also appeared to have a certain degree of special ops training. The erudite who easily rose to the role of action hero when necessary.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

On top of all that, he also used to be a Kirk-ish hot head as a cadet and got into a lot of trouble to the point where he now has an artificial heart from a fight with a couple of Nausicaans.

His character in my opinion, probably had more development on his background, history and who he really is then most Star Trek characters.

Hell, he even became borg and killed a crap load of his fellow starfleet and continually had to deal with that situation through the TNG series and movies...... when relating to his experiences with the Borg, he shown more of the darker side of humanity and himself that most others didn't really focus much on.

And when he was snapping in First Contact in the Holideck and then again in his ready room about making them pay..... you couldn't ask for anything different.

Exactly!

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Praxius]

It's true, Picard was completely undeveloped. We never knew what his background was, who his family was, what his Starfleet career was like,

There's lots in regards to his time in SF Academy, the Stargazer, his relationship/friendship with the Crusher family on Stargazer and Enterprise, he stuck to the Prime Directive a lot.... his career for the most part involved the Enterprise D and being captain of the flag ship.

We saw his family on a number of occasions and where they lived, along with what they do (Wine) There were many references to how he wanted to go explore the galaxy while the rest of his family wanted him to stay home and work on the family business.... etc. etc....

what his hobbies were,

History, books, acient civilizations & artifacts, eventually music via the little flute thing he got on an episode, fencing, target practice on the holodeck, that odd racket ball game, Detective holonovels, etc. etc.

love interests,

Troi's mother in an odd situation as that was, what's her face who took off with Q and showed back up later on in DS9, Dr. Crusher, and there were others in various episodes that of course didn't go much farther then said episode.

tastes in literature and music,

Classical Music for the most part, Shakespeare, Detective holonovels of some dude named Dick, etc.

why, we never even knew what his favorite beverage was.

Tea... Earl Gray.... Hot.

Nor did the writers make it so that he had certain phrases he'd repeat, nor did he engage in hand gestures. He was an almost completely bald character, when it comes down to it.

Captain, I am detecting trace amounts of sarcasm, a humanoid trait that I am not yet acustomed to.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

what's her face who took off with Q and showed back up later on in DS9,

The name's Vash.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Red Ranger]

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B . . . OR NOT A B!

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