The ONLY thing I hated about STXI (please explain)

[Nerys Myk]

I like a realistic fight in a film.

I don't think I've ever seen a realistic fight in a Hollywood film.

Directors should spend more time in Manchester on a Friday night if they're looking for realism.

Manchester, where the men are men and the sheep are scared.

 

[Broccoli]

Since when did being a dumb hick equate to bestiality?

Yeah, I know. Usually being a dumb hick equates to incest.

As far as I am concerned, you win the thread.

But if it makes you feel better I can blame Orci and Kutzman.

Go right ahead - that's accurate attribution, as opposed to the previous laziness and error.

I blame Rick Berman.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I blame Rick Berman.

I blame Brannon Braga for the crappy first season writing on TNG.

 

[Alientraveller]

I thought it was jarring but I couldn't really hear it either: and I concur with others the following fight scene was surprisingly brutal, but it's nice the violence wasn't being glossed over and it showed how low Kirk was in life.

No, the one thing that really bothered me, and that I wish I could erase from the DVD, is the end of the movie where Admiral Medea gives Cadet Kirk command of the Enterprise. Even with suspension of disbelief, this was just too hard to swallow. I don't understand why they couldn't have inserted a "Five years later" tag before the scene, and given Kirk command then. It would have completely fit Pike's line of "you could graduate in three years and have your own ship in eight" (with the "Three years later" tag already in place earlier in the movie).

Kirk's already a Lieutenant.

 

[DonIago]

Trek is supposed to be family friendly?

This thread needs a Remmick head-shot.

 

[Dukhat]

I thought it was jarring but I couldn't really hear it either: and I concur with others the following fight scene was surprisingly brutal, but it's nice the violence wasn't being glossed over and it showed how low Kirk was in life.

No, the one thing that really bothered me, and that I wish I could erase from the DVD, is the end of the movie where Admiral Medea gives Cadet Kirk command of the Enterprise. Even with suspension of disbelief, this was just too hard to swallow. I don't understand why they couldn't have inserted a "Five years later" tag before the scene, and given Kirk command then. It would have completely fit Pike's line of "you could graduate in three years and have your own ship in eight" (with the "Three years later" tag already in place earlier in the movie).

Kirk's already a Lieutenant.

He is? Then why is he still wearing a cadet uniform? Are you referring to TOS? Doesn't apply, because that timeline is kaput.

As far as I am concerned, you win the thread

Thanks!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought it was jarring but I couldn't really hear it either: and I concur with others the following fight scene was surprisingly brutal, but it's nice the violence wasn't being glossed over and it showed how low Kirk was in life.

No, the one thing that really bothered me, and that I wish I could erase from the DVD, is the end of the movie where Admiral Medea gives Cadet Kirk command of the Enterprise. Even with suspension of disbelief, this was just too hard to swallow. I don't understand why they couldn't have inserted a "Five years later" tag before the scene, and given Kirk command then. It would have completely fit Pike's line of "you could graduate in three years and have your own ship in eight" (with the "Three years later" tag already in place earlier in the movie).

Kirk's already a Lieutenant.

He is? Then why is he still wearing a cadet uniform? Are you referring to TOS? Doesn't apply, because that timeline is kaput.

As far as I am concerned, you win the thread

Thanks!

Saavik was a lieutenant and in an cadet uniform in TWOK. (red=cadet)

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

Just because Kirk was a cadet in the academy doesn't mean he couldn't acquire rank in Starfleet and not have already been on training missions or served a little time aboard a Starship. It happened all the time though out the Trek movies and shows after all.

 

[Dukhat]

But in order for Saavik to have been a lieutenant, she had to have been promoted. No such promotion was in Star Trek XI for Kirk, other than from cadet to captain.

GhostFaceSaint: I hear what you're saying, but unless he was wearing some kind of rank denoting he was a lieutenant, he was just a cadet, IMHO. Or did I miss something? Is there proof he was a lieutenant?

 

[Nerys Myk]

But in order for Saavik to have been a lieutenant, she had to have been promoted. No such promotion was in Star Trek XI for Kirk, other than from cadet to captain.

GhostFaceSaint: I hear what you're saying, but unless he was wearing some kind of rank denoting he was a lieutenant, he was just a cadet, IMHO. Or did I miss something? Is there proof he was a lieutenant?

Graphic on a monitor says he is Lt. Kirk. Someone posted a screen cap. Might be in the thread about cadet to captan.

She was a Lt at the start of TWOK. One can assume that between the barfight and the KB test (three years later) Kirk became a Lt/cadet

 

[M'Sharak]

There is only ONE thing I hated about this movie. And I hated it with a passion and would erase it from my dvd if I could.

Uhura: "I thought you were a dumb hick who only had sex with farm animals."

I HATE THIS LINE. It is crass, vulgar, jarring.. and frankly I don't get why she said it. I just don't get it. Since when did being a dumb hick equate to bestiality? As a put down it doesn't make much sense, as repartee it's a huge failure. Now as a put down I get that it says, "you can't get women, specifically ME" but I think there would be much better ways to say it.

Now.. it has occurred to me that I'm just not getting something about this line, that everyone else is sitting there having a chuckle and I'm missing the boat. This is not a "what did you hate about STXI" thread, it is a please comment on this line thread.

I don't see a problem with it. Seemed to me she was trying to anger him like the words angered you, but didn't work on him. Not to mention military like people don't tend to mingle with civilians too well, as the bar fight that ensued shortly afterwards seemed to express.

I wouldn't take the line personally, as you wern't the one trying to get into her pants and act as though she was a bimbo easily swayed by compliments.

I also didn't have a problem with it, as it seemed intended to illustrate the traditional antipathy between Starfleet personnel and the locals in the sense that same tends to exist in the real world between military and civilian. Cupcake's "This townie isn't bothering you, right?" and "Hey. You better mind your manners!" and "Hey farm boy..." is more of the same, but where his is delivered with hostility and an implicit threat of violence, Uhura's is much more relaxed -- a non-serious and slightly teasing gesture of a brush-off, given without malice and, seemingly, because it's the expected thing to do. I thought it worked.

If they don't mingle well with civilians it makes one wonder why they went to a civilian bar instead of going to the O-Club on base.

Have you never read real-world accounts of military guys mixing it up with locals in civilian bars, or with military guys from other service branches in civilian bars? Perhaps that doesn't happen as much in today's military or perhaps it's the same as it always was, but the picture of sailors on shore leave getting into brawls is not an invention; it's a tradition, of sorts, and the bar fight in "The Trouble with Tribbles", while played more for comedic effect, was a nod to that. The fight in this movie may have been, as you put it, somewhat stereotypical -- romanticized, perhaps, and maybe even a bit of a cliche -- but it wasn't out of place, and I think the scene played pretty well, from start to finish.

 

[Jeri]

Kirk's already a Lieutenant.

Graphic on a monitor says he is Lt. Kirk. Someone posted a screen cap. Might be in the thread about cadet to captan...

 

[CommanderRaytas]

What did I tell you about being pedantic?

How is me to say that I've never seen a realistic fight in a movie pedantic?

Relax, no offense was meant. Thing is, the premise was that the fight was too bloody. I think it wasn't, people can handle it. I used the word realistic, and you worked on that and missed my point. It wasn't about how realistic Hollywood portrays bar fights, but that it wasn't too bloody and offensive for ST imo. Getting hung up on the pragmatics of a term is sort of pedantic.

But then again I believe I missed your point, too.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't think it was too bloody but I DO think you would end up in the hospital with that many severe blows to the head. It's painful to watch. And Cupcake and his cohorts should have been charged with assault.

 

[Kirk1980]

Not arguing about whether or not it says Lt. but just a mild nit to pick...

That screencap actually says Lt, with an apostrophe instead of the period necessary for an abbreviated rank.

C'mon, art department, get out your grammar books!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Not arguing about whether or not it says Lt. but just a mild nit to pick...

That screencap actually says Lt, with an apostrophe instead of the period necessary for an abbreviated rank.

C'mon, art department, get out your grammar books!

Maybe grammar morphed a bit in the future..

 

[Amaris]

I don't think it was too bloody but I DO think you would end up in the hospital with many severe blows to the head. It's painful to watch. And Cupcake and his cohorts should have been charged with assault.

Oh God, yes it was painful. I winced every time Kirk too one to the head.

J.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I don't think it was too bloody but I DO think you would end up in the hospital with many severe blows to the head. It's painful to watch. And Cupcake and his cohorts should have been charged with assault.

Agreed. It wasn't too realistic to think no-one would lose a tooth or break a bone after being pounded like that.... or that the beaters wouldn't land themselves in jail. But hey, it's Hollywood. What annoys me more is when women in films fight, get boots in their faces and there's never any blood, wrecked hairdos or broken noses.

The amount of blood shown in ST XI was a big step toward making it looking real, at least compared to the fights we got up until then.

 

[Jeri]

Kirk's makeup was good regarding the fight; he had abrasions on his face all through the movie -- particularly that beefy cadet's knuckle marks around his eye socket.

 

[Corran Horn]

Since when did being a dumb hick equate to bestiality?

Yeah, I know. Usually being a dumb hick equates to incest.

Well, between now and the 23rd century there must be some kind of outbreak of such behavior.