The ONLY thing I hated about STXI (please explain)

[DevilEyes]

I didn't like the farm animals line either. It was one of the few non-family-friendly moments in the film for my preteens.

This is exactly why i didn't like the line and would have preferred that they not used it.

Meh. Like I said above, the bar fight upset my girls more than any lines said in the movie. That was a pretty intense fight scene for Trek. Kinda shocked me, too.

A bar fight, or fist fight in general, is something new to Trek? And I was under the impression that Kirk had quite a few fights in TOS... and that Picard was stabbed through the heart in a bar fight...

And when you have fights, there is blood. Duh. What else do you want? Completely unrealistic fight scenes?

 

[Disillusioned]

I thought the bar fight was pretty stereotypical, really. A bunch of guys think they have to stick up for a women in a bar against some "country boy" making passes at her? Really?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Coming from a rural area myself, I find that this tends to be the opinion some stuck up people from the city tend to have towards people like me.

Which was, of course, exactly the point: Uhura intended to put him down and thus get rid of him by wounding what she presumed (from experience) to be a fragile ego. And he came right back at her with self-deprecating humor that showed he wasn't all that easily bruised or insulted, then demonstrated his considerable intelligence.

The line worked fine. It was funny; I laughed at it. And BTW, it wasn't written by J.J. Abrams. If people want to criticize they ought at least to make an effort to criticize the right people - same with praise. And I know there's some excuse ("oh, but Abrams is ultimately responsible...") but that's a dodge and it's still lazy.

 

[Shatmandu]

I didn't mind that line.

I *HATED* the stun sound of the hand phaser. "TWEE! TWEE!"

Feh. Ben Burtt got that one very wrong.

Joe, loved the movie

 

[Franklin]

This is exactly why i didn't like the line and would have preferred that they not used it.

Meh. Like I said above, the bar fight upset my girls more than any lines said in the movie. That was a pretty intense fight scene for Trek. Kinda shocked me, too.

A bar fight, or fist fight in general, is something new to Trek? And I was under the impression that Kirk had quite a few fights in TOS... and that Picard was stabbed through the heart in a bar fight...

And when you have fights, there is blood. Duh. What else do you want? Completely unrealistic fight scenes?

Certainly Kirk was in his share of fist-fights in TOS. My point was this fight scene in ST09 was pretty intense for Trek. Short of a bleeding lip or some very fake looking abrasions, I don't recall a Trek character looking as beaten up as Kirk did, either.
When Picard was stabbed in the heart, it's hardly like blood went gushing, or even oozing out of the wound, as one would expect. The fights in Trek were more sanitized than the bar fight in ST09. True, the fight was no worse than one sees on TV these days. It's not a bad thing, per se, either. Chalk it up to another thing Abrams wanted to feel more realistic.

 

[Disillusioned]

The line worked fine. It was funny; I laughed at it.

It was immature and crass. Which I guess is perfect for the current generation.

And BTW, it wasn't written by J.J. Abrams. If people want to criticize they ought at least to make an effort to criticize the right people - same with praise. And I know there's some excuse ("oh, but Abrams is ultimately responsible...") but that's a dodge and it's still lazy.

Not really. As Producer he had the ultimate say in where the story went and would have had the final approval on something like that. But if it makes you feel better I can blame Orci and Kutzman.

 

[startrekrcks]

I hope the movie wins many awards

 

[Praxius]

There is only ONE thing I hated about this movie. And I hated it with a passion and would erase it from my dvd if I could.

Uhura: "I thought you were a dumb hick who only had sex with farm animals."

I HATE THIS LINE. It is crass, vulgar, jarring.. and frankly I don't get why she said it. I just don't get it. Since when did being a dumb hick equate to bestiality? As a put down it doesn't make much sense, as repartee it's a huge failure. Now as a put down I get that it says, "you can't get women, specifically ME" but I think there would be much better ways to say it.

Now.. it has occurred to me that I'm just not getting something about this line, that everyone else is sitting there having a chuckle and I'm missing the boat. This is not a "what did you hate about STXI" thread, it is a please comment on this line thread.

I don't see a problem with it. Seemed to me she was trying to anger him like the words angered you, but didn't work on him. Not to mention military like people don't tend to mingle with civilians too well, as the bar fight that ensued shortly afterwards seemed to express.

I wouldn't take the line personally, as you wern't the one trying to get into her pants and act as though she was a bimbo easily swayed by compliments.

And about Spock's mother being called a Whore? Well how else are you going to get a half human/vulcan's emotions flowing then to strike a nerve about his mom whom he is fully aware of being out of place in the world?

That's how Kirk got Spock to snap later on when he teleported on to the Enterprise..... he jab him a few times over his mother.

I mean if someone insulting your mother doesn't get your blood flowing, nothing will.... and as young spock claimed, they've been trying to get him to snap for a while.

 

[Disillusioned]

If they don't mingle well with civilians it makes one wonder why they went to a civilian bar instead of going to the O-Club on base.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The line worked fine. It was funny; I laughed at it.

It was immature and crass. Which I guess is perfect for the current generation.

Folks don't tend to consider baby boomers like myself "the current generation" much any more, but I'll take what I can get in that regard. As for the youngsters that generally are "the current generation," they're pretty cool - they have not yet grown tiresome, at any rate.

But if it makes you feel better I can blame Orci and Kutzman.

Go right ahead - that's accurate attribution, as opposed to the previous laziness and error.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Since when did being a dumb hick equate to bestiality?

Since Cain and Able.

What's the old line?: [Insert Regional Name] Where the men are men and the sheep are scared.

Oh God the poor sheep!

Well I didn't care too much for the line, but I don't mind it, either. But who am I to say anything, I'm a city person. I'm afraid of sheep.

I can't think of anything I actually hated in the film. Not spontaneously, at least.

 

[Praxius]

Meh. Like I said above, the bar fight upset my girls more than any lines said in the movie. That was a pretty intense fight scene for Trek. Kinda shocked me, too.

Really? There was plenty of fist fights in the old series, they just didn't do it as realistically, but I remember a lot of people being tossed around on TOS and getting a good couple of chops smacked around.

All of that died down a bit since TNG and the new series came out, but the fights were always there. It wouldn't have been Kirk without getting into a fight.

Added:

I think it would have been worse if they had him go through such a big fight and just have a mere cut lip... I'm pretty sure a number of people would have left the theatre if that occured..... it'd just be too fake that you'd either have to laugh or cry at how bad it would fit in with the rest of the movie.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I like a realistic fight in a film. But then again I'm a Fight Club fan.

I really don't think it was too violent for Star Trek. People can handle a little blood. No biggie.

 

[Praxius]

I like a realistic fight in a film. But then again I'm a Fight Club fan.

I really don't think it was too violent for Star Trek. People can handle a little blood. No biggie.

Indeed, and it's not like people were slicing each other with broken bottles or shanking one another.... just a big drunken fight that nobody was seriously hurt in.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Yup, that's what I meant.

 

[Shazam!]

I like a realistic fight in a film.

I don't think I've ever seen a realistic fight in a Hollywood film.

Directors should spend more time in Manchester on a Friday night if they're looking for realism.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

What did I tell you about being pedantic?

 

[Franklin]

I like a realistic fight in a film. But then again I'm a Fight Club fan.

I really don't think it was too violent for Star Trek. People can handle a little blood. No biggie.

Agreed. I was speaking mostly in the context of my young daughters' (6 and 10) reaction to the fight. T'Cal spoke to how Uhura's remarks weren't very family friendly. I can see that. I guess I'm saying that in that light, the intensity of the bar fight wasn't very family-friendly, either.
Now, that's not a bad thing, really. It's just my youngest daughter feared that the movie would be gross or scarry, and I promised her that Trek was hardly ever that way. Then that fight breaks out just minutes into the movie and Kirk ends up all bloodied. There goes Dad's credibility.

I'm not agruing against the scene, here. It just surprised me a bit. It's a tempest in a teapot, really.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I like a realistic fight in a film.

I don't think I've ever seen a realistic fight in a Hollywood film.

That's true enough!

I vaguely remember a fight scene on Bonanza many years ago that was played for laughs by cleaving a little closer to the truth - these two big guys whacked one another hard with their fists about dozen times each, managing to hurt their hands pretty badly and exhaust themselves to the point of being on their knees.

I think when people say "realistic" about movie fight scenes what they really mean is "fight scenes that result in substantial bleeding and persistent physical injury."

 

[Shazam!]

What did I tell you about being pedantic?

How is me to say that I've never seen a realistic fight in a movie pedantic?