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How will Trek XI blend in with the rest of Trek

Then it is merely your personal opinion, which you are welcome to hold.
Really? Gosh, thanks. :shifty:


Then you are arguing purely from personal taste.
Anyone making an argument about a movie or any story is arguing from a position of personal taste. If someone wants to say what about this movie they think is thought-provoking or deep, I'd like to see it. Of course I'll also probably tear it completely down.

Irrelevant. Basing an answer on what someone "probably" didn't like does not bolster a statement of authority or one that is conclusive.
Uh, no, what I pointed out is entirely valid and relevant to the discussion. If someone doesn't like a certain cliche, it can be safely argued that they don't like it no matter what show it's used in. I see it all the time in discussion of other series and movies.

I gave you data that verified the commercial and critical success of Star Trek XI.
Which is no indication of the quality of the movie.

You are giving me personal taste and opinion.
Everyone here is giving their personal taste and opinion. That includes trying to use the "but it's popular" argument. The only difference with that is that the use of that argument is an attempt to validate the opinion of the individual who uses it.

Again, you are more than free to say how you feel, I would not stop you in any way,
Good, because that's exactly what I'm doing and will continue to do.

but in lieu of the numbers, your statement that the movie "sucks" is entirely your opinion, and not supported by the data at hand. It all comes down to personal taste.
Just like your opinion that this movie doesn't suck.
 
Really? Gosh, thanks. :shifty:

You make the mistake that I was giving permission instead of making a statement.

Anyone making an argument about a movie or any story is arguing from a position of personal taste. If someone wants to say what about this movie they think is thought-provoking or deep, I'd like to see it. Of course I'll also probably tear it completely down.
However, it is critically and financially successful, and while you insist that has no relevance to the matter, our culture does hold that at great value, so your saying that popularity in terms of financial and critical success doesn't matter in terms of quality of film is also simply your opinion, and an incorrect one.

Uh, no, what I pointed out is entirely valid and relevant to the discussion. If someone doesn't like a certain cliche, it can be safely argued that they don't like it no matter what show it's used in. I see it all the time in discussion of other series and movies.
It is irrelevant to this discussion, as you have no basis other than personal anecdote and assumption.

Which is no indication of the quality of the movie.
Incorrect. While financial success is fluid, critical success is the marker by which we judge movies as being quality movies.

Everyone here is giving their personal taste and opinion. That includes trying to use the "but it's popular" argument. The only difference with that is that the use of that argument is an attempt to validate the opinion of the individual who uses it.
It was critically AND financially successful. By that alone the movie is considered of quality and popular, since it has both the fiscal backing AND the artistic backing to make it's case. Whether you think it quality or not is solely your opinion, but does not change the film's critical success in it's medium.

Good, because that's exactly what I'm doing and will continue to do.
I wouldn't suggest otherwise.

Just like your opinion that this movie doesn't suck.
My opinion is that the movie doesn't suck. It is also the considered professional opinion of a majority of critics that this movie "doesn't suck".

Your opinion is that the movie sucks.

My opinion is my opinion, but also backed by critical and financial success. Your opinion is your opinion, but has no such backing. Certainly what is popular is not always quality, but from a critical standpoint, that being the appraisal of experts in their field, the vast majority find this movie to be a high quality and successful movie.

J.
 
You make the mistake that I was giving permission instead of making a statement.
Probably because I was being sarcastic.

However, it is critically and financially successful, and while you insist that has no relevance to the matter, our culture does hold that at great value, so your saying that popularity in terms of financial and critical success doesn't matter in terms of quality of film is also simply your opinion, and an incorrect one.
I judge a movie based on its own merits, not how popular it is. I guess that just makes sense to me; that a movie would be judged based on being a movie.

It is irrelevant to this discussion, as you have no basis other than personal anecdote and assumption.
That makes even less sense than the "but they've done it before" argument.

Incorrect. While financial success is fluid, critical success is the marker by which we judge movies as being quality movies.
And I'm sure you always agree with critics, right? And that critics are never shallow or stupid. they would never say something like, "I don't like sci-fi, but..."

It was critically AND financially successful. By that alone the movie is considered of quality and popular, since it has both the fiscal backing AND the artistic backing to make it's case. Whether you think it quality or not is solely your opinion, but does not change the film's critical success in it's medium.
All that's being shown here is your need to validate your opinion by basing it on the opinions of others.

My opinion is that the movie doesn't suck. It is also the considered professional opinion of a majority of critics that this movie "doesn't suck".
:lol: Whatever.

Your opinion is that the movie sucks.
Which doesn't need to be backed by any critics but actually is. Is their opinion somehow less valid because they thought this was a bad movie?

the vast majority find this movie to be a high quality and successful movie.
Unless you want to add a qualifier there, you can't make that claim.
 
You make the mistake that I was giving permission instead of making a statement.
Probably because I was being sarcastic.

However, it is critically and financially successful, and while you insist that has no relevance to the matter, our culture does hold that at great value, so your saying that popularity in terms of financial and critical success doesn't matter in terms of quality of film is also simply your opinion, and an incorrect one.
I judge a movie based on its own merits, not how popular it is. I guess that just makes sense to me; that a movie would be judged based on being a movie.


That makes even less sense than the "but they've done it before" argument.


And I'm sure you always agree with critics, right? And that critics are never shallow or stupid. they would never say something like, "I don't like sci-fi, but..."


All that's being shown here is your need to validate your opinion by basing it on the opinions of others.


:lol: Whatever.

Your opinion is that the movie sucks.
Which doesn't need to be backed by any critics but actually is. Is their opinion somehow less valid because they thought this was a bad movie?

the vast majority find this movie to be a high quality and successful movie.
Unless you want to add a qualifier there, you can't make that claim.

We're done here. I have given you data that is backed up statistically and citing theatrical and artistic success. All you can post is a "whatever" in response. I am tired of repeating myself and the information, as you have no interest in statistical, objective data, only in running around in circles and your own personal opinion.


J.
 
We're done here. I have given you data that is backed up statistically and citing theatrical and artistic success. All you can post is a "whatever" in response. I am tired of repeating myself and the information, as you have no interest in statistical, objective data, only in running around in circles and your own personal opinion.
Not only was there no actual statistical data to back up anything, but the entire point was that even showing numbers of how many people paid money to go see this movie is meaningless when it comes to describing whether the movie is "good" or not. A movie can only be judged by what it is. If you want to argue that this movie was good based on, you know, the movie, that would be an interesting conversation. I wouldn't agree with you, and I'd say why I didn't agree with you, but that's all part of debate. Instead you and others keep repeating "but it's popular" instead of having an actual discussion. That's the only thing that makes discussion on the subject pointless.
 
Not only was there no actual statistical data to back up anything, but the entire point was that even showing numbers of how many people paid money to go see this movie is meaningless when it comes to describing whether the movie is "good" or not. A movie can only be judged by what it is. If you want to argue that this movie was good based on, you know, the movie, that would be an interesting conversation. I wouldn't agree with you, and I'd say why I didn't agree with you, but that's all part of debate. Instead you and others keep repeating "but it's popular" instead of having an actual discussion. That's the only thing that makes discussion on the subject pointless.

You are in error, incorrect, and I will no longer be discussing this with you. Any future posts by you addressing me to this particular issue will be ignored. I say this for your benefit.

J.
 
I think it has blended in already, and will continue to do so. It was a fine movie that people will look at with fondness, and it will be something people will pull off their shelves to view time and again.

Frankly, I think it will 'blend in' better than Nemesis did. I mean, hardly anyone even wants to remember that film as being part of Star Trek. :lol:
 
I think it has blended in already, and will continue to do so. It was a fine movie that people will look at with fondness, and it will be something people will pull off their shelves to view time and again.

Frankly, I think it will 'blend in' better than Nemesis did. I mean, hardly anyone even wants to remember that film as being part of Star Trek. :lol:

LOLOL.. when's the last time you heard someone say, "gosh I wish we could have more Remans in future Trek offerings.."
 
I think it has blended in already, and will continue to do so. It was a fine movie that people will look at with fondness, and it will be something people will pull off their shelves to view time and again.

Frankly, I think it will 'blend in' better than Nemesis did. I mean, hardly anyone even wants to remember that film as being part of Star Trek. :lol:

I've softened a bit on Nemesis. I never considered it "not Star Trek", but I also smacked it down. A lot. :lol:

However, I feel warmer toward it now. As for blending, I agree, it already has. The friends I have who made fun of Trek were in awe of this movie, and are now Star Trek fans. I've got one of them hooked on TOS, another on DS9 and VOY. I am slowly eroding their will. :devil:

J.
 
As for blending, I agree, it already has. The friends I have who made fun of Trek were in awe of this movie, and are now Star Trek fans. I've got one of them hooked on TOS, another on DS9 and VOY. I am slowly eroding their will. :devil:

J.

"Excellent. Everything is going as planned."
 
As for blending, I agree, it already has. The friends I have who made fun of Trek were in awe of this movie, and are now Star Trek fans. I've got one of them hooked on TOS, another on DS9 and VOY. I am slowly eroding their will. :devil:

J.

"Excellent. Everything is going as planned."

You need a cat and a highback leather chair when you say that. :D


J.
 
As for blending, I agree, it already has. The friends I have who made fun of Trek were in awe of this movie, and are now Star Trek fans. I've got one of them hooked on TOS, another on DS9 and VOY. I am slowly eroding their will. :devil:

J.

"Excellent. Everything is going as planned."

You need a cat and a highback leather chair when you say that. :D


J.

LOL.. actually I just need an apprentice. Always two there is.
 
You are in error, incorrect,
Show me where you posted any actual numbers then.

and I will no longer be discussing this with you. Any future posts by you addressing me to this particular issue will be ignored. I say this for your benefit.
And you already said that once, so the fact you replied at all kind of robs this statement of any real meaning.

I think it has blended in already, and will continue to do so. It was a fine movie that people will look at with fondness, and it will be something people will pull off their shelves to view time and again.

Frankly, I think it will 'blend in' better than Nemesis did. I mean, hardly anyone even wants to remember that film as being part of Star Trek. :lol:
Ironically this movie reminds me a lot of NEM, at least superficially. It has the Romulan element, the bad guy was a miner, bald, cruised around in a huge ship of death that could kill entire planets. Yeah, the similarities pretty much ends there, but it's still kind of amusing to think of this movie as a slightly better version of NEM. :lol:
 
I think it has blended in already, and will continue to do so. It was a fine movie that people will look at with fondness, and it will be something people will pull off their shelves to view time and again.

Frankly, I think it will 'blend in' better than Nemesis did. I mean, hardly anyone even wants to remember that film as being part of Star Trek. :lol:

LOLOL.. when's the last time you heard someone say, "gosh I wish we could have more Remans in future Trek offerings.."
Well actually, had Enterprise continued to the Romulan War, I'd have wanted the Remans to play a large pa...

No, forget it. Who wants a film like Nemesis, which for its faults, tries to be more than a flashy mindless action flick? Better not to try and have a message.
 
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