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THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN: A fitting name!

Oh, that's a shame. It's the best Marvel show currently on the air, if not ever, even though it's not quite as strong this season as last. I was really hoping Greg Weisman would get to do the full 65 episodes he envisioned, with DVD movies afterward.
 
"Subtext," written by Nicole Dubuc, directed by Kevin Altieri:

I was wondering about the character of Mark Allan, whom I didn't recall from the comics. Turns out he's actually based on Mark Raxton, the Molten Man, who's Liz Allan's stepbrother. And this episode shows his transformation into MM, courtesy of more of Osborn's villain-creating experiments, with the science now provided by Dr. Miles Warren (which comes as no surprise). Turns out he has gambling debts to Blackie Gaxton, who ends up working for the new Big Man (Green Goblin) and "volunteers" Mark for a nanotech armor experiment that Goes Horribly Wrong, turning him into a lava-hot walking Oscar statuette.

As usual, they're being experimental with the format, cutting back and forth between the climactic battle in a burning bar and flashbacks to the events leading up to it. Unfortunately, the pacing doesn't quite work. The cutting back and forth is too frenetic, and the revelation that Molty is a decent guy (when he discovers Liz and MJ are in the bar and tries to help them escape the flames) comes way too early in the story. I guess the point was the "Subtext" of the title -- first we see an event in the battle, then we see the backstory that underlies it. But it rendered the storytelling too fragmented.

It's certainly not a bad episode; even this show's weak installments are better than a lot of other shows. It just tries a little too hard. This show's willingness to experiment with form and structure is admirable, but as this story reminds us, not every experiment is a success.

Anyway, in arc stuff, Pete and Liz make up after the tensions last week, MJ turns out to care more about Mark than she pretended, and Doc Connors finds out about Warren's nanotech research but Warren has found out in turn about the Lizard and blackmails Connors into saying nothing. I bet we'll see a return of the Lizard before season's end.


It occurs to me that with the show ending after this season, we'll probably never see anything develop between MJ and Peter. Maybe Peter and Gwen will be an item by the end of the season, but it's hard to say, since Pete does seem to care about Liz. It's kind of surprising the turn the relationships have taken. Maybe the whole Liz Allan thing was just to delay things with Gwen and build suspense over whether they'll ever get together, but what if the show ends before that happens, or maybe just after? It would leave this as a rather strange take on Peter Parker's love life.
 
Turns out he's actually based on Mark Raxton, the Molten Man, who's Liz Allan's stepbrother.
He's a cross between Mark and Bennett Brant, Betty's brother from the Lee era - the gambling angle (and the name of the bookie) come from that.

It's since become somewhat unclear whether the show is ending. Weisman said he hasn't heard anything on it.
 
I don't get it, is the show that expensive to make?

It's more a matter of rights. As part of the Disney purchase of Marvel, Disney tried to get the Spider-Man film rights away from Sony, but Sony negotiated to keep them in exchange for giving up the television rights to Spidey. So now only Disney has the right to produce and broadcast a Spidey TV series, so the only way TSSM can continue is if Disney XD chooses to renew the show. And given how they've been dribbling out episodes and moving it around the schedule so it's hard to find, I'm not really getting the impression that DXD has a strong commitment to the show.

But every show is expensive to make. Some more than others, yeah, but what matters is the ratio between how much it costs to make a show and how much it earns in ad revenues, which is a function of ratings. So even if Show A costs only 70% as much to make as Show B, that doesn't matter if its ratings are only 40% of Show B's. Proportionally, that makes Show A more expensive than Show B.
 
^I wouldn't know about that. I was just saying that, as a matter of general principle, the expense of a show is not in and of itself the sole consideration in its renewal prospects. In this case, the threat to the show's continuation may have little to do with its expense.
 
If I were them, I'dve coordinated the merchandising to max out the series' profit. By that I mean, have a Flash Thompson chase figure, maybe an MJ or Gwen thrown in, instead of Aqua-Spidey, Spidey on Motorcycle-never-seen-in-SSM, or some other stupo. Have The Enforcers in super-suits, Harry Goblin unmasked, and like that. Engage the adult collector, and you've got sales that don't need parental approval--at least presumably. Then, you've paid for your show. I'm not saying these alt-figures should be produced as much as say, Black Suit Spidey, but, even with his SSM redesign, how many Venoms do they think even a hungry kid will demand?

As for Disney, I'm beginning to think they follow Greg Weisman around, looking for ways to wreck whatever he's working on at present.
 
What do you mean by "chase figure?"
Basically, if they send a Toys R Us or a Wal-Mart a case of 20 SSM figures, 15 will be Spidey, 3 Might be Peter Parker w/ camera, and the final two would be a more obscure figure like Flash. They will never produce as many figures of such characters as they will the main. To be more literal, an actual chase figure would be Spidey in wrestling togs from his origin flashback, but the same principle applies. Part of the thunder of this has been stolen by Marvel Select, which is likely the only place you'd see figures like Bucky-Cap or Ultimate Thor. To make matters worse, there are rare variants. When Marvel Legends first made a Vision figure, they made a rare variant which was translucent with his standard colors. In the case of the Wasp, she had two or three costumes.

Ain't collectibles fun?:rolleyes:
 
"Opening Night," written by Greg Weisman, directed by Mike Goguen:

Norman Osborn invites Spidey to test the Vault, the new supervillain prison, by trying to break out. But the Green Goblin is mounting his own plans, sabotaging the Vault's security system so the villains within can get Spidey. But Black Cat is there on a mission of her own -- to spring her father, Walter Hardy. When she helps Spidey get away from the villains, he recognizes Walter -- as the burglar who killed Uncle Ben!

Wow. I never saw that coming. And they went the redemptive route here. Hardy turns out to be a guy who'd never killed anyone before and deeply regretted what he did to Ben, and he chooses to sacrifice himself, setting off the Vault's sleep gas with himself still inside. Felicia blames Spidey, and though she saves him from Gobby one last time, she says she'll never forgive him.

Meanwhile, the show is doing its usual thing, juxtaposing the action with the school play of A Midsummer Night's Dream, with lines from the play complementing the action. Although there's a bit of rewriting. Puck (Hobie) is made up to look like the Green Goblin, and references to "Robin" (Goodfellow, Puck's other name) are changed to "Goblin." And the unspecified fairy who speaks with Puck in Act II, Scene I (played by Glory) is identified as Cobweb (a fairy who only has four brief lines attributed to him/her in the actual script) and dressed in red and blue with a web motif. It works out pretty well, with some nice juxtapositions between the play and the action. Indeed, Gobby's in a rhyming mood as he watches the Vault battle and once or twice quotes Puck directly.

I love the alias on Black Cat's fake ID: Selina Drew. Selina being the other sexy comic-book catburglar, of course, and Drew as in Nancy Drew (a pun on Felicia Hardy).

And speaking of sexy... the way Tricia Helfer does Black Cat's flirtatious voice is way too hot for kids' TV. Just the sound of that voice should be R-rated. Wow.


"Final Curtain," the season finale, written by Kevin Hopps, directed by Victor Cook:

Something was wrong with the audio here, and for most of the episode, I could only hear the music and the occasional sound effect. At first, I thought they were doing something experimental, a dialogue-less action scene, but then I saw Spidey's jaw moving with no sound coming out. I had to turn on the closed captioning to get the dialogue.

That probably undermined my enjoyment of the episode, though it was nice to be able to hear the music mostly in the clear. Still, I found the pacing problematical, and I'm not sure how different the experience would've been with the full soundtrack.

The story begins with Spidey battling Goblin henchgoons in pumpkin masks; then we cut to Harry coming to Gwen for help. Pete gets called in, and Harry reveals that he was kidnapped by the Green Goblin, proving that he wasn't the Goblin as he thought. This puts suspicion back on Norman, and Spidey faces both Osborns to try to figure it out -- only for all of them to be attacked by the actual Goblin, which was rather a surprise. Anyway, the latter half of the episode was mostly one big chase/fight scene, which got rather ridiculous at one point, as Gobby had somehow converted water towers all over the city into pumpkin-bomb launchers (which leaves me wondering how all those buildings maintained their water pressure) and hired about a thousand goons to chase after Spidey. The whole thing was really over the top and distracted from the story.

Anyway, Spidey finally gets Gobby's mask off... and it's Norman after all, even though another Norman is in a pursuing helicopter with Harry. Turns out that Norman is actually the Chameleon, and the real Norman helpfully explains the whole backstory while he's battling Spidey. Here's another pacing problem, not only because of the contrivance of such a lengthy expository sequence in the middle of a fight, but because there's no variation in the frenetic pacing of the battle once Norman is unmasked, no moment of climax, no pause for the audience to gasp as the truth sinks in.

But this is pretty much what I expected all along. I was never really convinced that Harry was the Goblin; I suspected that Norman had set him up. And the way it was made to look like Harry was the Goblin again in recent episodes, without it being confirmed, set off a red flag for me that it was misdirection. Oh, I wasn't certain, but I suspected. Still, they did a good job of leaving me wondering here, with both Osborns seemingly being ruled out as suspects. I didn't think of the Chameleon.

The battle ends with Norman/Gobby apparently self-immolating, and Peter doesn't seem at all guilty about it even though he arguably helped cause it, or so it looked to me. That bugs me. Anyway, Peter and Gwen had finally admitted their feelings earlier, and Pete had broken up with Liz, but now that Harry's lost his father, Gwen can't break up with him. Though Harry's being pretty clearly manipulative when he tells her how much he needs her now; earlier we saw him overhearing as Pete and Gwen confessed their love. So he's not entirely a sympathetic figure here.

And at the end, we see that Norman has survived and gone incognito as a Mr. Roman. He'll be back!

Or will he? I've heard variously that the show is definitely cancelled or that there's at least some chance of renewal but no assurance. "Final Curtain" may well have been aptly named. If so, that's a disappointment, because as finales go, it was fairly weak, substituting flash and excess for substance. And there are so many threads left to explore. For one, Curt and Martha Connors left the ESU lab to relocate to Florida, leaving it in the control of the malevolent Miles Warren. That was clearly meant to lead somewhere, both to a Lizard comeback and more mischief from Warren. And Pete's romantic life is still stuck at the beginning, pretty much. He hasn't even gotten together with Gwen, and MJ has spent the whole series relegated to the role of a friend, with any further potential left untouched.

I haven't found the second season quite as superb as the first. Still, it will be a shame if the show ends here. Overall, it's still probably the best of Marvel's animated TV series.
 
I consistently forget to check for this show in its new location. I might need to redouble my efforts to check it out again.
 
Perhaps the grimmest part of that finale for me was the full emergence of Harry the Dad-worshipping dickwad. If a possible S3 (Please!) saw the clones emerge, I wonder if Harry might pull the thing with the android parents. Perhaps the vacuum of power in the underworld might lead to Wilson Fisk.

I know this probable cancellation was the result of a lot of things, but I can't shake the notion that Disney follows Greg Weisman around and ruins whatever he's doing at that moment.
 
Weisman said that Norman was revealed as the Goblin to the whole world, which was why Gwen Harry Peter and Emily were the only ones at his funeral. He says they found a body but it wasn't a clone.

I'm assuming what happened in the comics happened here: Norman found some bum, put him in the goblin costume and blew him up. Harry then bribed the coroner so not to reveal it wasn't Norman.

Maybe Harry knows Norman is alive and worked on the cover-up together.

Weisman also said that Hobgoblin is confirmed as an S3 villain if they are renewed.
 
Yeah? Well, if Weisman said to jump off a bridge...well, actually, I prolly would. :D

Thanks for the info.
 
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