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Worst. Episode. Ever. Poll.
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Uh...that is one of the best episodes. Season three is a gold mine, I wouldn't normally expect to see any of its episodes on a worst list of any type.
What do you mean "suggested the idea"? It is a well know fact there was a Hollywood writers strike at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_Gray_(TNG_episode)
I voted for Shades of Grey for its shear cheapness, though I agree that Code of Honor should be up there on the list too.
I'll go with Code of Honor, although I find that whole trio of Naked Now, Code of Honor, The Last Outpost to be some of the worst. I don't include Shades of Grey since it was a non-episode. Sub-Rosa isn't anywhere nearly as odious. Emergence is both interesting and fun. I'll take bizarre and surreal over painfully bad any day.
How could "Code Of Honour" - that loads of fans agree is utterly the worst episode ever - not be an option!?! I voted "Other" - for COH of course!
I understand why many TNG fans didn't like Sub Rosa, but the main problem is one of tone. It's a creepy, romantic tale, definitely not one for your typical Borg fan. But not liking the style is not the same as an episode being of poor quality. The overall quality of Sub Rosa is not bad at all.
But to think its worse than, say, the premiere of the Ferengi in S1 as silly, TOS-grafted primitive space-monkey people, is too much a stretch for me. There are S1 episodes and moments that downright embarrassingly, laughing out loud, bad. Just plain bad. Michael Jackson moonwalking across the bridge bad. Sub-Rosa isn't that.
But to think its worse than, say, the premiere of the Ferengi in S1 as silly, TOS-grafted primitive space-monkey people, is too much a stretch for me. There are S1 episodes and moments that downright embarrassingly, laughing out loud, bad. Just plain bad. Michael Jackson moonwalking across the bridge bad. Sub-Rosa isn't that.
I liked "Last Outpost" too. 
Even if it was a total ripoff of "Arena."
Even if it was a total ripoff of "Arena."
One of my top 10.
I think you're right. It didn't feel like Star Trek, but it would have been an OK Gothic romantic tale. People react so strongly to it because it felt out of place. It made me think "Weell, this is... very unusual and, um, certainly different
" rather than "this is embarrassingly awful 
" as many season 1 episodes did.I guess they should at least be given credit for doing something a bit different....
Hm, maybe I should forgive them for Masks for the same reason... if it weren't for the fact that in that case, I can't figure even out what the hell the episode was all about.
Re: Sub Rosa. Yes I generally find it difficult to dislike any episode that features Gates McFadden having an orgasm. The only thing I disliked was the Quint character. The writers were aware this was actually a 24th century colony of people from Scotland living in a quaint old fashioned way and not medieval Scotland right? So why have a character with a thick brogue running around talking about Ghosteses. That was just embarrassing.
Re: Masks. yeah I liked this episode a lot just for Spiner. The voices he did were really creepy and expressive. I think it is a shame he never got an Emmy for his performance as Data. The only thing wrong with this episode is you can make a drinking game out of the number of times Picard uses the phrase "ritualistic culture".
Re: Masks. yeah I liked this episode a lot just for Spiner. The voices he did were really creepy and expressive. I think it is a shame he never got an Emmy for his performance as Data. The only thing wrong with this episode is you can make a drinking game out of the number of times Picard uses the phrase "ritualistic culture".
Rascals by a wide margin. I would rather suffer through a marathon of Masks, Sub-Rosa, Genesis and Emergence than put up with 10 minutes of this episode. It was a mockery of the crew of the Enterprise-D, making them all look like incompetent idiots.
Measure of a Man is one of the best TNG episodes, and best episodes of Trek overall. It's the one that actually changed my mind about Data, because up until then I essentially had the same attitude toward him as Pulaski did.
As for Up the Long Ladder, I'd say that the fact that we're still discussing the moral quandry she posed in that episode, that while it's not great Trek, it's far superior to the idiotic moral quandries posed in S1 episodes like Justice. And to be fair to Snodgrass, the analogy to abortion was my suggestion here, I don't know if that's the allegory she actually had in mind. In my mind privacy rights, and individual uniqueness are tied together (the latter being what Riker based his objections to when he explained terminating the clone after the fact). Whereas, I don't know if that same connection is there for everyone.
1. We're still discussing it because we're Star Trek fans.
2. We still discuss the moral quandry of "Justice", also. Even the most poorly constructed moral dilemmas in Star Trek get hashed about by us, sometimes because they're not that well concieved.
Also, personally, I don't think "Justice" is a racist pile of crap, so it's a cut above in my book.
She did say as much.
Posted on Memory Alpha, attributed to Captain's Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages.Melinda Snodgrass said:
As even she observes there, the line Riker says isn't that subtle and is intended to make the abortion analogy explicit.
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