Spiderman 4 villain to ONLY be Lizard?!

[Captain Craig]

Saw this linked off of Dark Horizons in their 'newshorts' area.
I don't know anything of this site MarketSaw so I suggest take the news with some manner of salt. I also notice the dateline is 10/26/09 and yet this is the first I've seen of this "news"? That is a red flag normally but I post for all to see just in case.

Jim here. In what must be exclusives week at MarketSaw, we get a quick update on SPIDER-MAN 4 which of course is getting lensed in stereoscopic 3D.

We all pretty much knew that either The Lizard and/or Carnage would be in this movie and now we have word that it will be The Lizard ONLY. No multiple villains. Again, strong source here. Of course, things could change - but it is highly doubtful.

I couldn't be happier! SPIDER-MAN 3 suffered from too many story lines in my mind and with only one villain, Sam Raimi can focus on the character development and really build Dr. Curt Connors / The Lizard the way it should be. If there are too many bad guys you lose the connection - it is a good thing to almost feel bad for them when they lose (or win as the case may be). It is very hard to develop two villains within the same movie and establish that honest mind meld with them.

What I don't like is the article doesn't say where or how they came by this EXCLUSIVE information. I think we all suspect that Lizard will show, or should, but being the ONLY baddie would be interesting news.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

Why were they thinking Carnage?

I wouldn't mind Lizard, although if they did I'd love Kraven as well.

 

[Spiderpope]

Personally i hope this is true. The Spidey franchise was in danger of plummeting into the same abyss the 90's Batman films did with far too many villains competing for screentime.

Why were they thinking Carnage?

Venom apparently = $$$ so no doubt the studio figure his offspring would lead to similar financial rewards, quality be damned.

 

[Starbreaker]

I think this could end up being a really good movie. I'm all for Lizard.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's gonna be just like Danny Divito's Penguin for sure.

 

[Janus VI]

I wouldn't mind Lizard, although if they did I'd love Kraven as well.

This is the combination I was hoping for as well.

 

[Dream]

I don't have a problem with Lizard as long as he changes several times in the movie from human to monster. They can develop the Connors character near the first half of the movie and surprise the audience by turning him into his Lizard form later on. Also don't have him talking while he is in monster form please... that would be dumb. They should also stop with the villain teamups.

The Spider-Man movie franchise really needs to get back to the one villain a movie formula.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Excellent. Looking forward to (hopefully) a very tight Lizard monster story.

 

[Trent Roman]

Hmm, I'm not so sure. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're doing Lizard after teasing Connors for the last two movies, and I certainly do agree the third film shouldn't have tried to tackle three at once... but I can't help but wonder, if it's only the Lizard, what they'll be doing in-between. Because I'm really sick of the repetitive, go-nowhere Peter/MJ storyline. With Harry gone, I feel they need to start adding to the mythos. We've already got the Stacys, and maybe something can be done about that (Capt. Stacy KIA perhaps), but I'd like to see minor antagonists like Hammerhead introduced, or setting up the Black Cat, to give this next round of films the kind of arc that Harry's Goblinization provided.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Captaindemotion]

Hmm, this sounds very dubious. For one thing, the actor who plays Dr Connors, Dylan Baker, was recently quoted as saying that he will be returning only as the Doctor in the next movie. There was a hint that his scaly alter-ego might be in the 5th movie.

Secondly, this is the first suggestion that Carnage will be in the movie. Raimi has made it very clear that Venom was forced on him for no 3, so I think it's inconceivable that he even contemplated having Carnage, Venom's spin-off, in the next movie, even for a split-second.

I think there will be just the one villain, though, as Raimi also learned his lesson from cramming in the 2 (or 3) into Spidey 3, as oppose to the one-per-movie of the first two films.

 

[Holdfast]

I'll be delighted to see Lizard, after all the set-up he's had. Plus I like the idea of keeping the story tight.

 

[Thrall]

I don't think The Lizard is a strong enough character to carry a film. He's just a glorified, generic Universal Monster. He just goes around eating people. Because he's just a big, dumb, animal. There's really nothing super-villainy about him. They might as well put Rhino in there. He's a C-League villain too, but at least he can talk.

Personally, I'd bring Norman back.

 

[Jetfire]

No Mysterio?

I don't like the way Spider-Man has turned out.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

They really need an opening (or precredits, if they go that route) segment baddie ala Mr Hyde in Van Helsing. Like Scarecrow in The Dark Knight but obviously more than that. Have that baddie captured and that's it.

Then the movie continues...lead villains arrives.

That's the best way to bring more (and minor) baddies to the screen without team-ups.

 

[Captain Craig]

I wouldn't mind Lizard, although if they did I'd love Kraven as well.

This is the combination I was hoping for as well.

I don't think The Lizard is a strong enough character to carry a film.

Thrall I think this is why Janus and T-Bag are for Kraven, I as well, being involved. The Lizard can be done two ways for sure. In his most animalistic mode the Kraven being involved would be great potential as Peter tries to stop his friend/teacher from becoming a wall mount by Kraven.

I don't have a problem with Lizard as long as he changes several times in the movie from human to monster. They can develop the Connors character near the first half of the movie and surprise the audience by turning him into his Lizard form later on. Also don't have him talking while he is in monster form please... that would be dumb. They should also stop with the villain teamups.

The Spider-Man movie franchise really needs to get back to the one villain a movie formula.

The other way would be this way. Where you build up the relationship that has been touched upon with Peter and Connors. See the Lizard a few times, a slow reveal maybe not unlike Incredible Hulk, before a full reveal in the final showdown.

Personally, I'd bring Norman back.

No matter how they go with Lizard this would be a great 2 minute ending or post credit. Reveal that like the source material Norman is alive and with Harry dead...watch out. That sets up a Spiderman 5-6, that they've discussed being linked films, like no other element could I think.

 

[Mr Light]

I don't see JUST the Lizard carrying an entire movie. I would prefer it if he fights somebody in the first half of the movie while setting up the Lizard's origin, then the second half is the Lizard. The Lizard isn't interesting enough.

 

[Lowdarzz]

I always thought that if the Lizard was going to show up in the films then it was time to turn Peter into the Man-Spider. Sort of a two-part storyline, first half has Conners turning into the Lizard but with Peter's help he is able to regain his mind if not his body. The second half has Peter's genetic mutation hitting full force turning him into the man-spider and in the end it is the Lizard that has to save him.

Anyway they do it I've always liked the Lizard.

 

[DarthPipes]

Because I'm really sick of the repetitive, go-nowhere Peter/MJ storyline.

What? You're not looking forward to another ending where MJ is kidnapped by the villain and Peter has to rescue her?

One villain is definitely the way to go but The Lizard? A CGI monster who can barely talk? Yet another "sympathetic villain?" His last sympathetic villain was The Sandman, who was so one-dimensional that Raimi had to give him a bunch of cliches to attempt to make him interesting. Not to mention taking a giant dump on the Spider-Man backstory with the whole "Sandman killed Uncle Ben" garbage.

The correct way to go would have been to drag the Venom storyline over two movies.

Can't they make the franchise grander in some way?

 

[Anwar]

Well, I don't think it was Sandman killing Ben that was so bad. I mean if they had shown in the first movie that it was Marko all along who was the thief and that he didn't die from that fall I doubt anyone would complain (after all, the Spectacular cartoon got away with making Black Cat's father Ben's killer).

The Venom story...what they needed was for the symbiote to be the one major storyline, which meant it shouldn't have been in the third movie at all. Harry is enough to carry the third movie (with Sandman as a B-plot).

Then, once Harry and the main trilogy are done you can do the symbiote story for the 4th movie.

Frankly, I think Norman should have been the arc villain for the trilogy (Doc Ock in the first movie, the accident being Norman's doing to eliminate Otto, then Norman is inspired to be the Goblin at the end of the second movie after other villains he creates to fight Spidey fail, and then he is the Goblin for the third).

 

[Orintho]

Personally i hope this is true. The Spidey franchise was in danger of plummeting into the same abyss the 90's Batman films did with far too many villains competing for screentime.

I never understood why they did that to begin with. Burning up all the super villains simply depletes the fuel for good stories.