Abrams Trek...

[Aaron McGuire]

I'll keep reading, whatever happens, providing that my wife-to-be doesn't stop me.

Get a pre-nup.

Well, it's already been revealed that the plot of Paths of Disharmony revolves around Andor and its ongoing issues, which have been exacerbated by the events of the Destiny trilogy. Plus, it's important to remember that the book, while "starring" the TNG characters, is actually part of the Typhon Pact mini-series, which has its own agenda dealing with the...you know...Typhon Pact.

Please tell me that Shar will be in this book.

Aaron McGuire

 

[BrotherBenny]

Chritopher, I said I know it won't happen for some time, not that it won't happen. And by "some time" I mean in real universe terms.

Back to your irregularly scheduled thread....

 

[Dayton Ward]

Please tell me that Shar will be in this book.

Who?

Oh. Him.

I suppose there might be room for him in the story somewhere.

 

[JD]

Please tell me that Shar will be in this book.

Who?

Oh. Him.

I suppose there might be room for him in the story somewhere.

 

[St. Batuah]

The destruction of Romulus in 2387 is part of the original timeline, so the 24th-century books will presumably deal with it once they catch up to that year; however, they're currently in 2381 and it may be a long time before they catch up.

Excuse me... but are you sure, the all the novel's writers has agreed about this? About Nimoy's Spock, Nero and Narada are from the Original Timeline?

here are some tricky facts that seems to me do not fit:

1. A Supernova that can reach the planet within minutes without the warp-capable civilization able to evacaute most of its people..... this if we presume that the supernova was original from Romulus System. If we assumed that the Supernova originaly from the Hobus... it become more trickier.. since this nova has "advance warp-drive" capability moving from one sytem to another in a count of weeks...

2. Where in the hell Original Scotty, making transport from a planet in to "warp-driving" ship which left the planet hours ago (if we asumed it's all happened in a daylight)? If so, why don't Scotty transport himself to another ship rather than buffer-looping his matrix when he was trap in dyson sphere?

3. The Romulan we all know, using a Photon or Quantum Thorpedo equal rather than.... what should we name it.... Ion Propeled Missile? or Kriptonide Power Missile.

4. I believe that Romulan has better understanding and extremely more advance knowledge about creating a Singularity, since their flagship are powered by artificial Singularity... so it would be odd, the Vulcan mastered the Red Matter first.


For me, the Abrahmverse, was an alternate universe being influenced by another alternate universe.

 

[Dayton Ward]

Excuse me... but are you sure, the all the novel's writers has agreed about this? About Nimoy's Spock, Nero and Narada are from the Original Timeline?

Our agreement's not really required. The filmmakers have stated unequivocally that Spock-Prime, Nero, and the Narada all hail from the original timeline, and their actions in the past created a new, alternate timeline. Any novels set in the "Abramsverse" and referencing said events will follow that lead.

 

[St. Batuah]

well...

In next few years, we'll have books where Romulan down-grade there weapon into Kryptonite Powered Missille..... and loosing the tractor beam technology

 

[captcalhoun]

or you could just say what i do:

it's a pile of shit, it doesn't count. i won't read the books, sorry lads.

 

[Sci]

or you could just say what i do:

it's a pile of shit, it doesn't count. i won't read the books, sorry lads.

You can think it's a pile of shit if you want, but when it comes to the fate of Romulus, it counts as much as ENT did with the origins of the Federation and the NX-01.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Please tell me that Shar will be in this book.

Who?

Oh. Him.

I suppose there might be room for him in the story somewhere.

How could there possibly be room for him? Wouldn't he be grieving the death his zhavey? How would that make for good drama?

 

[BrotherBenny]

The destruction of Romulus in 2387 is part of the original timeline, so the 24th-century books will presumably deal with it once they catch up to that year; however, they're currently in 2381 and it may be a long time before they catch up.

Excuse me... but are you sure, the all the novel's writers has agreed about this? About Nimoy's Spock, Nero and Narada are from the Original Timeline?

here are some tricky facts that seems to me do not fit:

1. A Supernova that can reach the planet within minutes without the warp-capable civilization able to evacaute most of its people..... this if we presume that the supernova was original from Romulus System. If we assumed that the Supernova originaly from the Hobus... it become more trickier.. since this nova has "advance warp-drive" capability moving from one sytem to another in a count of weeks...

Yeah, this is a problem for me too, but one can speculate that Hobus is a superstar, a hypermassive red giant or some other kind of star which could have an extended supernova effect. Or the supernova could have been artificially induced. After all, we know the Ascendants (from the DS9 storyline) are capable of forcing a supernova, as was Dr Soran from Generations.

2. Where in the hell Original Scotty, making transport from a planet in to "warp-driving" ship which left the planet hours ago (if we asumed it's all happened in a daylight)? If so, why don't Scotty transport himself to another ship rather than buffer-looping his matrix when he was trap in dyson sphere?

There may not have been another ship in range, hence the distress call. He might have set the buffers to automatically transport once another ship was in range, but that didn't happen for over 70 years, by which point the programme had lost power and only the buffer was working. Of he forgot he could do that.

3. The Romulan we all know, using a Photon or Quantum Thorpedo equal rather than.... what should we name it.... Ion Propeled Missile? or Kriptonide Power Missile.

It's spelled "torpedo" and the Narada was designed as a mining ship, so those topedoes are likely mining torpedoes designed to splinter and blow apart asteroids to collect the metal ores or such inside them.

4. I believe that Romulan has better understanding and extremely more advance knowledge about creating a Singularity, since their flagship are powered by artificial Singularity... so it would be odd, the Vulcan mastered the Red Matter first.

Nero used the treknobabble red matter for revenge, and it was probably the fastest way to create an artificial singularity in a planet's core.

 

[Dayton Ward]

How could there possibly be room for him? Wouldn't he be grieving the death his zhavey? How would that make for good drama?

Well, it's worth remembering that my book takes place more than a year after the events of Destiny.

 

[St. Batuah]

The destruction of Romulus in 2387 is part of the original timeline, so the 24th-century books will presumably deal with it once they catch up to that year; however, they're currently in 2381 and it may be a long time before they catch up.

Excuse me... but are you sure, the all the novel's writers has agreed about this? About Nimoy's Spock, Nero and Narada are from the Original Timeline?

here are some tricky facts that seems to me do not fit:

1. A Supernova that can reach the planet within minutes without the warp-capable civilization able to evacaute most of its people..... this if we presume that the supernova was original from Romulus System. If we assumed that the Supernova originaly from the Hobus... it become more trickier.. since this nova has "advance warp-drive" capability moving from one sytem to another in a count of weeks...

Yeah, this is a problem for me too, but one can speculate that Hobus is a superstar, a hypermassive red giant or some other kind of star which could have an extended supernova effect. Or the supernova could have been artificially induced. After all, we know the Ascendants (from the DS9 storyline) are capable of forcing a supernova, as was Dr Soran from Generations.

still, the supernovas we've seen before didnot expanded in warp scale.

There may not have been another ship in range, hence the distress call. He might have set the buffers to automatically transport once another ship was in range, but that didn't happen for over 70 years, by which point the programme had lost power and only the buffer was working. Of he forgot he could do that.

let's see.. a few hours in warp 5-7, we found that with that speed, we can across the Solar System within minutes.... that's beyond 24th Century Federation's Transporter range we know from the screen before......

well in memory alpha

Sometime between 2369 and 2387, Montgomery Scott discovered the necessary formulas enabling transwarp beaming. (Star Trek)

ridiculous canon...

3. The Romulan we all know, using a Photon or Quantum Thorpedo equal rather than.... what should we name it.... Ion Propeled Missile? or Kryptonide Power Missile.

It's spelled "torpedo" and the Narada was designed as a mining ship, so those torpedoes are likely mining torpedoes designed to splinter and blow apart asteroids to collect the metal ores or such inside them.

thank's...
I was remembering Ian Thorp.... Olympic Gold Medallion Swimmer from Australia. Thorpedo was his nickname

As far as I remember, the Torpedo equipped with Warp-Capable velocity... not some kind of Thruster...

4. I believe that Romulan has better understanding and extremely more advance knowledge about creating a Singularity, since their flagship are powered by artificial Singularity... so it would be odd, the Vulcan mastered the Red Matter first.

Nero used the treknobabble red matter for revenge, and it was probably the fastest way to create an artificial singularity in a planet's core.

it still did not answered the odd that Vulcan has much more advance technology in Artificial Singularity than Romulan.

 

[Christopher]

Excuse me... but are you sure, the all the novel's writers has agreed about this? About Nimoy's Spock, Nero and Narada are from the Original Timeline?

As Dayton says, it's not up to us. Our job is to follow the lead of the people who actually own Star Trek. We're just guests in their backyard.

here are some tricky facts that seems to me do not fit:

1. A Supernova that can reach the planet within minutes without the warp-capable civilization able to evacaute most of its people..... this if we presume that the supernova was original from Romulus System. If we assumed that the Supernova originaly from the Hobus... it become more trickier.. since this nova has "advance warp-drive" capability moving from one sytem to another in a count of weeks...

The Undiscovered Country showed the Praxis shock wave reaching the Excelsior parsecs away within minutes. Generations showed Soran's supernovae having instantaneous gravitational effects on the Nexus and distant starships, again over parsecs. ENT: "The Catwalk" showed a "neutronic storm" travelling faster than light. There's plenty of precedent in the Trek universe for FTL cosmic phenomena.

Besides, alternate timelines would have the same physical laws. They're alternate quantum states branching off from the same original universe, a universe whose laws were set down at the moment of its creation. After all, if two universes had different laws of physics, there's no way they'd evolve the same stars, the same planets, the same species, and the same individuals. Any universe with a planet Earth and a human species is going to be a temporal subset of our universe, one that diverged from the rest quite recently in cosmic terms. So every timeline we see in Trek must have the same physical laws; only the history is different.

2. Where in the hell Original Scotty, making transport from a planet in to "warp-driving" ship which left the planet hours ago (if we asumed it's all happened in a daylight)? If so, why don't Scotty transport himself to another ship rather than buffer-looping his matrix when he was trap in dyson sphere?

All we know is that Scott Prime developed transwarp beaming sometime before Spock Prime left his timeline in 2387. Scotty could've developed it after his rescue in 2369.

3. The Romulan we all know, using a Photon or Quantum Thorpedo equal rather than.... what should we name it.... Ion Propeled Missile? or Kriptonide Power Missile.

I don't understand what you're arguing here, but Nero's ship comes from 2387, and the last time we saw the Romulans in the Prime universe was 2379. They could easily have developed new weapons in that time.

4. I believe that Romulan has better understanding and extremely more advance knowledge about creating a Singularity, since their flagship are powered by artificial Singularity... so it would be odd, the Vulcan mastered the Red Matter first.

The singularities seen in the movie were of a very unusual type.

Besides, you can find equal or greater discontinuities between any two Trek series or films, or even within a single Trek series. Insurrection had Deanna claim she'd never kissed a bearded Riker even though she did so several times on camera in TNG. In TNG itself, Data routinely used contractions until it was suddenly asserted out of the blue that he never did, and he expressed signs of emotion for two years before he was retconned into an emotionless being. Khan's followers lost their ethnic diversity and got younger in the 15 years between "Space Seed" and TWOK. Trek continuity has never, ever been seamless, and yet we pretend that it's all a single reality because that's how fiction works: you pretend, you suspend disbelief, and you don't obsess over the inevitable glitches and inconsistencies that any long-running franchise created by multiple hands is bound to have. It's the prerogative of the creators of a fictional world to reinterpret and refine it as they go. And the reinterpretations and inconsistencies introduced in this movie are no greater than those found in previous Trek episodes and movies over the decades.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Uuummmm, nope. The older Spock we saw in ST09 was the same Spock we saw in "The Cage," "Where No Man Has Gone Before," TOS, the TOS films, and "Unification, Parts I & II."

And Romulus went bye-bye.

Boy I wonder how captcalhoun would react to the 3rd issue of the Nero miniseries comic?

What happened in Star Trek: Nero #3? (I haven't read the Nero miniseries.)

Spoiler: Well

Nero bumped into V'Ger

 

[Greg Cox]

Excuse me... but are you sure, the all the novel's writers has agreed about this? About Nimoy's Spock, Nero and Narada are from the Original Timeline?

.

He's the old Spock. This is the new Trek. It's as simple as that.

Thinking otherwise is just denial.

 

[ClayinCA]

It's my failure as a writer, I'm told.

Ahh, you're just making that up.

 

[St. Batuah]

As Dayton says, it's not up to us. Our job is to follow the lead of the people who actually own Star Trek. We're just guests in their backyard.

too bad, then....

The Undiscovered Country showed the Praxis shock wave reaching the Excelsior parsecs away within minutes. Generations showed Soran's supernovae having instantaneous gravitational effects on the Nexus and distant starships, again over parsecs. ENT: "The Catwalk" showed a "neutronic storm" travelling faster than light. There's plenty of precedent in the Trek universe for FTL cosmic phenomena.

Besides, alternate timelines would have the same physical laws. They're alternate quantum states branching off from the same original universe, a universe whose laws were set down at the moment of its creation. After all, if two universes had different laws of physics, there's no way they'd evolve the same stars, the same planets, the same species, and the same individuals. Any universe with a planet Earth and a human species is going to be a temporal subset of our universe, one that diverged from the rest quite recently in cosmic terms. So every timeline we see in Trek must have the same physical laws; only the history is different.

the film simply use the word Supernova.... shouldn't the same physical definition and specification work here?

All we know is that Scott Prime developed transwarp beaming sometime before Spock Prime left his timeline in 2387. Scotty could've developed it after his rescue in 2369.

fine.... in other words it's a new canon....
Can't wait for you and the other writer writing about it in the near future books....

I don't understand what you're arguing here, but Nero's ship comes from 2387, and the last time we saw the Romulans in the Prime universe was 2379. They could easily have developed new weapons in that time.

a New weapon should have been an upgrade, a more advance technology, both in damage or the way we deliver it.
The 24th century torpedoes we saw on screen are all warp-based, while this Narada Missiles are not.

 

[Dayton Ward]

fine.... in other words it's a new canon....

No more new than Spock trying to help the Romulans in 2387....?

a New weapon should have been an upgrade, a more advance technology, both in damage or the way we deliver it. The 24th century torpedoes we saw on screen are all warp-based, while this Narada Missiles are not.

If the enemy's right in front of you, which is the case every time the Narada's shown attacking something, why does the missile need to be "warp-based?" And the weaponry was shown to be far more effecive than anything the 23rd century ships had to offer, tearing through deflector shields like they weren't even there. Just ask the crew of the Kelvin, or any of those ships orbiting Vulcan when the Enterprise shows up....

 

[Christopher]

the film simply use the word Supernova.... shouldn't the same physical definition and specification work here?

I have no idea what you're asking here. Bottom line, it's fiction. It's all made up. The physics works however the filmmakers decide it works. Earlier Trek movies have had physics even more stupid than anything in this movie (the Genesis Device, "fountain-of-youth" radiation, 20 minutes to the center of the galaxy), and nobody's put them in an alternate reality.

fine.... in other words it's a new canon....

It's a new installment in the same canon, and because it's from different creators, it brings new interpretations and ideas to that evolving canon. The same is true of all its predecessors. ST has never been a cohesive, singular whole. It's been a variety of different creations by different producers, directors and writers with different sensibilities and different approaches, and we choose to overlook the many discrepancies and pretend that it's all a cohesive reality, even though it really never has been.

a New weapon should have been an upgrade, a more advance technology, both in damage or the way we deliver it.
The 24th century torpedoes we saw on screen are all warp-based, while this Narada Missiles are not.

"All warp-based?" Where are you getting that? Most of the space battles I recall seeing in the 24th-century shows and films were conducted at sublight, and the torpedoes didn't travel all that quickly.

Besides, it's a trivial detail to fixate on. This is make-believe. It's a bunch of stories that people make up to entertain you. And different creators are entitled to bring their own distinctive styles and approaches to the creation, so naturally this imaginary world is going to look different when it's presented to you by different creators. Again, there is nothing remotely new about this. The Trek universe depicted by Robert Wise in TMP was different from the Trek universe depicted by Roddenberry, Coon, and Justman in TOS. The Trek universe depicted by Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer was way different from either of those. The Trek universe depicted in TMP was different from any of those. And so on. Each new incarnation has taken a different approach to the look, feel, and content of the Trek universe. They've had different designs, different technologies, different alien species, different looks for the same alien species, different renderings of what warp drive or phasers or torpedoes look like and how they work, etc. Since it's not real, just something made up by creative people, it looks different when presented by different creators. That doesn't mean it's a bunch of alternate realities. Well, actually it does, because each incarnation of Trek has its differences from its predecessors. But we choose to pretend they're a consistent reality, because that's part of the conceit of the story.

And sometimes we do such a good job of pretending that all those past creations from different people fit together despite their many inconsistencies that we forget about those inconsistencies, so that when the latest new incarnation comes along and has its own differences from what came before, we mistakenly react to that as though there's something shockingly different about it. But there isn't. The new movie's discrepancies and continuity problems are no larger than those that have existed in past Trek productions. They're just newer.