What if the Ancients did actually spend time on Destiny?

[Brent]

There is no evidence yet that the Ancients never actually came to the Destiny. We have been assuming at this point that the Ancients sent the ship out but never ended up using it or actually going there. But what if they did?

What if the Ancients DID dial the ship at some point in their history and have a crew fully compliment it? What if they had adventures out there for thousands of years. Remember, the Ancients Ascended. So there are a few possibilities, either the Ancients gated back to Earth (either due to the plague happening there) or maybe they just off and Ascended right there from the ship and just let it go on its merry way. Or maybe they just decided to let it go on by itself and abandon it.

My point is, we've been thinking they never actually used the ship, but nothing gives that impression yet. The possibility exists that the Ancients really did use the Destiny at some point in the past, with a span of millions of years, anything could have happened.

 

[vedek]

Well I think towards the end of the series that an ancient is going to show up and interviene and send them back to Earth.

 

[Islander]

In fact I think there IS proof that the ancient, or at least someone, used the ship for a while. Remember the first episode: The life support systems cleaning the CO2 were worn out. The only thing producing CO2 are living creatures so if the ship was inhabited, they should still be like new...

 

[Brent]

Plus that little pod thing detached from the ship, so someone or something has been there.....

 

[Snaploud]

Ancients (or off-shoots of the Ancients) could still be using the Destiny periodically (every year, every hundred years, every thousand years, etc.).

 

[The Wormhole]

Also, wasn't there a line in the pilot that said the ship had been through a battle? This would imply someone had been aboard, to fight the battle.

 

[cylkoth]

There is no evidence yet that the Ancients never actually came to the Destiny. We have been assuming at this point that the Ancients sent the ship out but never ended up using it or actually going there. But what if they did?

What if the Ancients DID dial the ship at some point in their history and have a crew fully compliment it? What if they had adventures out there for thousands of years. Remember, the Ancients Ascended. So there are a few possibilities, either the Ancients gated back to Earth (either due to the plague happening there) or maybe they just off and Ascended right there from the ship and just let it go on its merry way. Or maybe they just decided to let it go on by itself and abandon it.

Continuity pornographer incoming...
This part of the show's premise really clashes with what came before. The Ancients were attacked by their former Alterran brothers, to the point where, after surviving the plague, they re-seeded life in the Mily Way before taking off for Pegasus. The question arises, why not gate to Destiny as well? Or to any of the planets in the other galaxies that the Seeder ships planted stargates? The ships being automated, there must have been a means for them to transmit information gathered on the various galaxies and planets encountered back to Earth. This makes the perfect escape from the Ori genocidal attacks. Yet, SGU has the Ancients not availing themselves of the perfect out. And let's not even start wondering why not using it to send survivors out of Pegasus once the 100 year war with the Wraith got hot and heavy.

 

[BenRoethig]

Also, wasn't there a line in the pilot that said the ship had been through a battle? This would imply someone had been aboard, to fight the battle.

Not necessarily. Alien race see gigantic ship encroaching on their territory. Destiny being unmanned does not respond to communication attempts. They open fire perceiving a threat. Plus there's option B, a million years of impacts from space junk took its toll.

 

[Snaploud]

The question arises, why not gate to Destiny as well? Or to any of the planets in the other galaxies that the Seeder ships planted stargates?

Some of the ancients may very well have done so...We don't have any firm information one way or another.

 

[Meredith]

In fact I think there IS proof that the ancient, or at least someone, used the ship for a while. Remember the first episode: The life support systems cleaning the CO2 were worn out. The only thing producing CO2 are living creatures so if the ship was inhabited, they should still be like new...

over a million years a few small colonies of bacteria could have burned through enough O2 to make the scrubbers fail....

 

[Islander]

In fact I think there IS proof that the ancient, or at least someone, used the ship for a while. Remember the first episode: The life support systems cleaning the CO2 were worn out. The only thing producing CO2 are living creatures so if the ship was inhabited, they should still be like new...

over a million years a few small colonies of bacteria could have burned through enough O2 to make the scrubbers fail....

Bacteria actually are responsbile for the creation of oxygen, not the other way around. And they would not survive in open air for very long anyway. Trust me on this one, complex organism are required to produce CO2 and those organising needs to burn fuel to do so, that means eating and that mean lots of activity around the ship.

 

[Mr. B]

I may be simple minded but the ship has corridors, life support and lots of buttons. There's no reason not to believe it was once manned. What would be the point of a largely habitable ship if it's (almost) always unoccupied?

 

[Checkmate]

I may be simple minded but the ship has corridors, life support and lots of buttons. There's no reason not to believe it was once manned. What would be the point of a largely habitable ship if it's (almost) always unoccupied?

That was explained early on. The ship was built and sent out to explore and set up roadways for future generations of the Ancients who fully intended to send a crew there once it was far enough away. Somewhere along the line it was either forgotten or abandoned.

How Rush came to know this is the real question, as is why the ship was forgotten or abandoned.

That said, the deterioated scrubbers aren't all that shocking. Leave anything just sitting around doing nothing for a few years and see how useful it is. Now crank that up to the better part of a million years. Now add in the feature of not only it somehow surviving all that time (itself a miracle), but expecting it work overtime after all those years of inactivity... well... that's pretty crazy.

It's not like the ship's were in a vacuum or refrigerated or anything. All that crap's been sitting there all that time at room temperature, rusting and otherwise rotting away.

Sometimes you guys really seem to forget just how long a million years is. You really do.

 

[David cgc]

The Ancients were attacked by their former Alterran brothers, to the point where, after surviving the plague, they re-seeded life in the Mily Way before taking off for Pegasus. The question arises, why not gate to Destiny as well? Or to any of the planets in the other galaxies that the Seeder ships planted stargates? The ships being automated, there must have been a means for them to transmit information gathered on the various galaxies and planets encountered back to Earth. This makes the perfect escape from the Ori genocidal attacks.

The Destiny may well have already been out of stargate range by the time the Ancients were found on the Ori. And as for heading to one of the galaxies that the ship had already hit, they did; the Destiny's first stop on the map was the Pegasus Galaxy. As for why they didn't go to even more galaxies, they were limited in numbers and resources, especially considering the plague (it's likely all of them were on Atlantis when it left). Best to consolidate your resources.

 

[Tom]

I guarantee they will find someone on the ship, either in suspended animation or awake.

 

[Meredith]

In fact I think there IS proof that the ancient, or at least someone, used the ship for a while. Remember the first episode: The life support systems cleaning the CO2 were worn out. The only thing producing CO2 are living creatures so if the ship was inhabited, they should still be like new...

over a million years a few small colonies of bacteria could have burned through enough O2 to make the scrubbers fail....

Bacteria actually are responsbile for the creation of oxygen, not the other way around. And they would not survive in open air for very long anyway. Trust me on this one, complex organism are required to produce CO2 and those organising needs to burn fuel to do so, that means eating and that mean lots of activity around the ship.

The microorganisms on doorknobs don't produce O2 they produce CO2 or something else. Only microbes with chlorophyll produce 02 from CO2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_organism

Fermentation organisms like the ones in gym socks most definitely don't produce O2, they use O2 to make CO2 or methane.

Maybe not bacteria, maybe a colony of fungus ate all their oxygen....

 

[cylkoth]

The Ancients were attacked by their former Alterran brothers, to the point where, after surviving the plague, they re-seeded life in the Mily Way before taking off for Pegasus. The question arises, why not gate to Destiny as well? Or to any of the planets in the other galaxies that the Seeder ships planted stargates? The ships being automated, there must have been a means for them to transmit information gathered on the various galaxies and planets encountered back to Earth. This makes the perfect escape from the Ori genocidal attacks.

The Destiny may well have already been out of stargate range by the time the Ancients were found on the Ori. And as for heading to one of the galaxies that the ship had already hit, they did; the Destiny's first stop on the map was the Pegasus Galaxy. As for why they didn't go to even more galaxies, they were limited in numbers and resources, especially considering the plague (it's likely all of them were on Atlantis when it left). Best to consolidate your resources.

While Destiny did travel to Pegasus, I don't know if that means the seeder ships planted any stargates there as in ATL's Rising, it was said that the PG gates were established after they arrived.
And thinking further, ZPMs must have existed around the time the Ori found them (Ancients)-the Antarctic Outpost had a dead one, and Teonas had one still active...So power shouldn't have been an issue. Sending the seeder ships out, would require having a means to reach Destiny anyways...Otherwise, why bother?

 

[David cgc]

Apparently, by today, Destiny is well too far out to be reachable even with a ZPM-boosted Stargate (or presumably even four or five ZPMs powering the gate, assuming they were willing to temporarily borrow every one they had for the project). It may have already reached that point by the time the plague happened, if it had been sent out and abandoned/forgotten well before that period of history.

And the Ancients would've had to have rebuilt the Pegasus gate network anyway, since they were all of the most modern type, and they moved some of them into orbit and whatnot. The seeder network would've made a good starting point, though.

 

[Checkmate]

Yeah. They made it pretty damn clear that they needed an entire planet's unstable core (implying that it was basically a monstrous ZPM-level fuel source) to power a stargate to reach it. If it was just a matter of stringing a few ZPMs together, I'm sure Rush would have been spending his time searching for some or learning how to build one instead. Clearly that wasn't the case.

 

[Spiderpope]

I have a feeling that Destiny was occupied at some point, but not necessarily by Ancients.

Afterall even the producers have pointed out that the EVA suits worn in Water are very, very similar to the outfits of the Evil Asgard.