Killing Kirk was the stupidest move ever made!

[Lensman]

Kirks' death in Generations was all wrong in my opinion. The Kirk character had earned it place amongst all the other iconic action heroes like Superman, Tarzan, Robin Hood etc, that to have it killed off in such a trivial way was an insult to the fans and the previous creative writing and acting talent that had made it so (sorry).

I think Kirk AND the Ent A should have been allowed an heroic, possibly ambiguous end. Disappearing into myth and folklore like King Arthur with the legend of a promised return in an undetermined future to defend the Federation in the hour of its greatest need.

Well thats my view at least.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I was content to have Kirk and the gang sail off into the sunset in TUC. To me, that was the end of Kirk's story and the end of the TOS era. The torch had already been passed to TNG at that point. Generations was just dragging the old horse out of retirement to officially put it down for all to see, IMO.

 

[Infern0]

By the Way Kirk isn't actually dead, the Borg and Romulans formed an alliance and ressurected kirk, and sent him to kill Picard. Kirk beat up Geordie, Data, Worf, Riker and almost got to Picard, but then Kirk realised he liked Picard, and now they go on holidays together.

 

[darkshadow0001]

I'm serious, imagine the oppertunities with Kirk in the 2370's!

but instead they had him roll down a hill.

I'd have loved to have seen kirk meet up with old man spock!

Well you know, it could still happen...

 

[PhasersOnStun]

I'm serious, imagine the oppertunities with Kirk in the 2370's!

but instead they had him roll down a hill.

I'd have loved to have seen kirk meet up with old man spock!

Well you know, it could still happen...

Well, if Gianan's ghost remained in the Nexus in Generations after she left it, perhaps Kirk's ghost remained in the Nexus, too. So just bring it out, and start him up again!

 

[ProtoAvatar]

By the Way Kirk isn't actually dead, the Borg and Romulans formed an alliance and ressurected kirk, and sent him to kill Picard. Kirk beat up Geordie, Data, Worf, Riker and almost got to Picard, but then Kirk realised he liked Picard, and now they go on holidays together.

Talk about convoluted and fan-wanky...

 

[Unionized Elf]

By the Way Kirk isn't actually dead, the Borg and Romulans formed an alliance and ressurected kirk, and sent him to kill Picard. Kirk beat up Geordie, Data, Worf, Riker and almost got to Picard, but then Kirk realised he liked Picard, and now they go on holidays together.

Talk about convoluted and fan-wanky...

Yeah, The Return was a pretty bad book.

 

[SilentP]

By the Way Kirk isn't actually dead, the Borg and Romulans formed an alliance and ressurected kirk, and sent him to kill Picard. Kirk beat up Geordie, Data, Worf, Riker and almost got to Picard, but then Kirk realised he liked Picard, and now they go on holidays together.

Talk about convoluted and fan-wanky...

Yeah, The Return was a pretty bad book.

Wait, what? That's the actual plot?

 

[ClayinCA]

Talk about convoluted and fan-wanky...

Yeah, The Return was a pretty bad book.

Wait, what? That's the actual plot?

Sadly, yes.

I always thought Kirk should go out like Amelia Earhart and mysteriously disappear at some point in his career. Is he dead? Is he alive somewhere, having new adventures? Who knows? You can decide for yourself.

This. I always thought that was the best "end" for Kirk - let him go out like a legend, dammit.

 

[Neutral Zone]

It was a decent way for him to go, he went as he predicted 'alone', he said this in 'The final Frontier' when camping with Bones & Spock. Besides, if the studios desperately an ancient Jim Kirk to return they could soon come up with a story.

 

[Infern0]

Talk about convoluted and fan-wanky...

Yeah, The Return was a pretty bad book.

Wait, what? That's the actual plot?

I still can't belive they green-lit that book. It's a shame because the one before it, avenger i think it's called is a half decent read.

 

[Unionized Elf]

Yeah, The Return was a pretty bad book.

Wait, what? That's the actual plot?

I still can't belive they green-lit that book. It's a shame because the one before it, avenger i think it's called is a half decent read.

Actually, Avenger came after The Return. I agree, Avenger was defintely better than The Return, but it still had pretty bad moments, like Kirk taking out the crippling the Enterprise E with an Oberth class starship.

Fun fact about The Return: Shatner originally pitched it as a movie(!) Paramount rejected it, so he submitted it to Pocket Books who published it as a novel.

 

[The Castellan]

Wait, what? That's the actual plot?

I still can't belive they green-lit that book. It's a shame because the one before it, avenger i think it's called is a half decent read.

Actually, Avenger came after The Return. I agree, Avenger was defintely better than The Return, but it still had pretty bad moments, like Kirk taking out the crippling the Enterprise E with an Oberth class starship.

Fun fact about The Return: Shatner originally pitched it as a movie(!) Paramount rejected it, so he submitted it to Pocket Books who published it as a novel.

I LOVED it when Kirk rammed the obirth, which had FULL shields, into the Enterprise-E, which had hardly any shields on. THAT was awesome. It was not so much a cripple, as to more of a bee sting, the Enterprise just took a few moments to recover. Plus it helped convince the Vulcans to allow scanning ( read/listen to the book and you'll know what I'm referring to. )

I have the audiobooks of the ifrst 6 books, and they were pretty good, despite being abridged.

 

[Unionized Elf]

Personally, I hated the idea of Starfleet's newest, largest, most advanced starship being defeated by a tiny science ship of a design that's nearly 100 years old.

 

[I am not Spock]

I have no problem with Kirk's death in Generations.

Jason of the Argonauts was killed by a piece of rotting wood falling from his ship! Heroes die inglorious deaths sometimes.

And some don't like GEN, because of Kirk's line in TFF: 'I know I'll die alone'.

Well, he was on an unknown planet, a century after his time, with only a bald captain he barely knew, for company. Sounds pretty alone to me.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

See, when Kirk said he knew he'd die alone in STV, I'm pretty sure he was really saying that as long as he had Spock and McCoy with him, he had nothing to worry about. He was saying they were great friends that he trusted with his life.

It wasn't like he saw a vision of his future and therefore Kirk must die alone because it was foretold in prophecy. I don't see how the "dying alone" line has any bearing on a scene two movies later, especially since the connection to his earlier line probably wasn't intentional anyway.

 

[Anji]

It was Berman's ultimate "@#%! you" to Roddenberry, killing off Kirk.

I know I'm too much of a purist, but I can't argue with my gut.

 

[SantaTom]

IIRC, Rick Berman had promised Gene Roddenberry in a letter* that Kirk's final fate would never be revealed. Obviously, once GR was dead, RB no longer felt he had to abide by that promise, and Generations was designed to break it. That's my theory.



*Like it or not, this comes dangerously close to being contractually binding.

Source?

It's not that I doubt the veracity of this statement. It's just that... I doubt the veracity of this statement.

 

[Infern0]

Wait, what? That's the actual plot?

I still can't belive they green-lit that book. It's a shame because the one before it, avenger i think it's called is a half decent read.

Actually, Avenger came after The Return. I agree, Avenger was defintely better than The Return, but it still had pretty bad moments, like Kirk taking out the crippling the Enterprise E with an Oberth class starship.

Fun fact about The Return: Shatner originally pitched it as a movie(!) Paramount rejected it, so he submitted it to Pocket Books who published it as a novel.

No I did actually mean the one before it, where kirk is in the 22nd centuary, and he meets that half romulan/klingon girl.

 

[Unionized Elf]

I still can't belive they green-lit that book. It's a shame because the one before it, avenger i think it's called is a half decent read.

Actually, Avenger came after The Return. I agree, Avenger was defintely better than The Return, but it still had pretty bad moments, like Kirk taking out the crippling the Enterprise E with an Oberth class starship.

Fun fact about The Return: Shatner originally pitched it as a movie(!) Paramount rejected it, so he submitted it to Pocket Books who published it as a novel.

No I did actually mean the one before it, where kirk is in the 22nd centuary, and he meets that half romulan/klingon girl.

That would be The Ashes of Eden. It was an okay book, a bit ridiculous and over the top in parts, but a decent read. And definately nowhere near as bad as The Return.