Toughest Crew

[apenpaap]

The thoughest captain thread made me wonder which crew would win if the 5 main crews fought each in other in a huge brawl. So we have:
Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, Rand, Chapel and a Redshirt
vs.
Picard, Riker, Data, Troi, Crusher, Geordi, Worf, Pulaski, Wesley Crusher, and Tasha Yar
vs.
Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir, O'Brien, Odo, Quark, Garak, Nog and Rom
vs.
Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, the Doctor, Torres, Paris, Kim, Kes, Seven and Neelix
vs.
Archer, T'Pol, Trip, Reed, Phlox, Sato, Shran, Mayweather, Cuttler and Soval
I added a few minor characters to some of the shows to bring each team up to 10, since TNG and Voyager each have 10 main characters.

 

[DevilEyes]

The thoughest captain thread made me wonder which crew would win if the 5 main crews fought each in other in a huge brawl. So we have:
Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, Rand and Chapel
vs.
Picard, Riker, Data, Troi, Crusher, Geordi, Worf, Pulaski and Wesley Crusher
vs.
Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir, O'Brien, Odo, Quark, Garak and Nog
vs.
Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, the Doctor, Torres, Paris, Kim, Kes and Seven
vs.
Archer, T'Pol, Trip, Reed, Phlox, Sato, Shran, Mayweather and Cuttler
I added a few minor characters to some of the shows to bring each team up to 9, since TNG and Voyager each have 9 main characters.

The TNG crew would like to protest They'd had a better chance with Yar than with Pulaski.

Also, does it really make sense to have both Seven and Kes in the crew at the same time? And wait... I seem to remember that there was someone else who was a main character on VOY... Now who was it...?

 

[Bertie]

Assuming we're talking fists here, I believe it would go to DS9, as Odo cannot be defeated in a straight melee fight. There's several on-screen examples of him or another changeling getting hit or stabbed or what not to no avail. Even Voyager's Doctor is vulnerable to his emitter being swatted (as established in "Equinox").

ENT might have the best median fighting skill (note that median is a different word than average), but Odo's superpowers would be too much.

I guess the wildcard in this would be if anyone gets to use any weird mental powers, like Wesley, Kes, or even Spock's TOS-era mind control.

 

[apenpaap]

Oops. Added Neelix and Yar, and another character to each of the other 3 teams.

 

[kes7]

Odo and the EMH make it a little unfair. Even Data and Seven are pushing it.

If you throw out Odo and the EMH, I think it would come down between VOY and TNG, with TNG having a slight edge thanks to Worf and Data. If you keep Odo and the EMH, then it's DS9, because, as noted above, Odo is pretty much unstoppable in a straight-up fight.

Both TOS and ENT are crews of average humans, for the most part. Even with a token Vulcan, they're not winning anything against Klingons, former Borg drones, shape shifters and androids.

 

[PSGarak]

Odo could singlehandedly kick all their butts, and yet he can get knocked unconscious by falling debris. Say what?

 

[kes7]

Odo could singlehandedly kick all their butts, and yet he can get knocked unconscious by falling debris. Say what?

Hmm. I think I missed whatever episode that happened in. But I don't doubt your DS9 knowledge, which means it's a good point. Are you sure he didn't get knocked out when he was a solid?

 

[Neutral Zone]

Any group with Tasha would be tough, but over all I would go for Janeway's team. Most of the time could call on outside help. But Voyager's crew were stuck in the Delta Quadrant on their own so they had to be tough to survive. Janeway proved she could hard woman when pushed!

 

[SilentP]

Odo could singlehandedly kick all their butts, and yet he can get knocked unconscious by falling debris. Say what?

Hmm. I think I missed whatever episode that happened in. But I don't doubt your DS9 knowledge, which means it's a good point. Are you sure he didn't get knocked out when he was a solid?

It's a bit of a headbanger in either case, since he has no centralised physiology for a blow to the 'head' to do more damage.

I think even without Odo, the DS9 crew have a fair few heavy hitters in the form of Sisko and Kira. Dax counts too, since she's shown to be a dab hand with a bat'leth. The Chief is also a veteran of the first war against Cardassia as an infantryman, so he can't be too shabby as a fighter.

Bashir, Quark and Nog are perhaps weak links in this case.

TNG (if we discount Data) still has Picard (whose not that bad), and Worf, who is very capable as a warrior, and also has enough brute strength to bludgeon a Borg drone to death with a single blow. Riker, I'm not so sure about.

 

[apenpaap]

I hadn't really though of Odo being more or less invincible. The Doctor and Data can both be defeated though (Doc pretty easily actually).
If we take Season 5 Odo (When hewas locked in a single shape), I'd say DS9 still wins. Sisko, Kira, Jadzia, Bashir and Garak are all good fighters, and O'Brien, Nog and HumanOdo could hold their own. Quark and Rom would be pretty much useless thouygh.

 

[Orcus]

TOS crew:

Either Janice Rand or Nurse Chapel could kick Wesley's arse anyday...

 

[SilentP]

TOS crew:

Either Janice Rand or Nurse Chapel could kick Wesley's arse anyday...

If I was Wes, I'd let them two give me a beating






What? Too much of a stretch?

 

[DevilEyes]

Odo could singlehandedly kick all their butts, and yet he can get knocked unconscious by falling debris. Say what?

Hmm. I think I missed whatever episode that happened in. But I don't doubt your DS9 knowledge, which means it's a good point. Are you sure he didn't get knocked out when he was a solid?

It's a bit of a headbanger in either case, since he has no centralised physiology for a blow to the 'head' to do more damage.

I think even without Odo, the DS9 crew have a fair few heavy hitters in the form of Sisko and Kira. Dax counts too, since she's shown to be a dab hand with a bat'leth. The Chief is also a veteran of the first war against Cardassia as an infantryman, so he can't be too shabby as a fighter.

Bashir, Quark and Nog are perhaps weak links in this case.

TNG (if we discount Data) still has Picard (whose not that bad), and Worf, who is very capable as a warrior, and also has enough brute strength to bludgeon a Borg drone to death with a single blow. Riker, I'm not so sure about.

Bashir is genetically enhanced, so he must have more strength and agility than he's shown. He has rarely been in a position to fight, nad we know he can hold back to hide his abilities (as in the darts game).

The Ferengis are the weakest link - Nog is tiny, and Quark and Rom are not much bigger and aren't fighters. Although, they did prove they can surprise you in "The Magnificent Ferengi". I would still get rid of Rom, though - give him some mechanical job to do and remove him from the scene, because he'd be more of a hindrance than help, whining and crying all the time.

 

[SilentP]

Bashir is genetically enhanced, so he must have more strength and agility than he's shown. He has rarely been in a position to fight, nad we know he can hold back to hide his abilities (as in the darts game).

While he is enhanced, I don't know if it automatically means he got extra strength too. It seemed that it was mainly his motor skills and intelligence that were suffering and therefore it was those qualities that got boosted.

 

[Piper]

DS9's because of all the hardships they went through over the seven years. At least members of the other crews got weeks off from being at the centre of things.

 

[DevilEyes]

Bashir is genetically enhanced, so he must have more strength and agility than he's shown. He has rarely been in a position to fight, nad we know he can hold back to hide his abilities (as in the darts game).

While he is enhanced, I don't know if it automatically means he got extra strength too. It seemed that it was mainly his motor skills and intelligence that were suffering and therefore it was those qualities that got boosted.

Motor skills would still be helpful in a fight, it is not all just in bare physical strength. If it was all about strength, Kira couldn't be a particularly good fighter either.

 

[PSGarak]

Odo could singlehandedly kick all their butts, and yet he can get knocked unconscious by falling debris. Say what?

Hmm. I think I missed whatever episode that happened in. But I don't doubt your DS9 knowledge, which means it's a good point. Are you sure he didn't get knocked out when he was a solid?

Yeah, I'm sure. It happened in season one, Vortex. Odo, Croden, and Croden's daughter were in a cave with debris raining down. Croden and his daughter got out. Odo got knocked on the head by a falling rock and went unconscious. Croden had to rescue him, and he didn't come to until they were back in the runabout. It's a nit I've had for a very long time now.

 

[Michael]

^ Yup, Odo getting knocked out by a rock didn't make a lot of sense. But still, I really liked Vortex.

As for this poll, I voted for the fine crew of Deep Space Nine.

 

[PSGarak]

^ Yup, Odo getting knocked out by a rock didn't make a lot of sense. But still, I really liked Vortex.

As for this poll, I voted for the fine crew of Deep Space Nine.

Oh, I definitely liked the episode, and I thought Odo got some very emotionally compelling moments out of it, particularly at the end. The debris thing just...bugged me.

 

[SeattleMatt]

TNG crew is most definitely the toughest. Geordi would have invented a way to get back from the Delta quadrant in one episode, MAYBE a two-parter. Riker would have used his charm to convince the Cardassians that joining the Dominion is wrong. Picard would have accomplished the original Enterprise's 5 years mission in 3.

In a brawl specifically? I'm pretty sure Data could take all the crews combined, including Odo.