Just a question.....since Voyager was under-manned and needed a new nurse, why didn't they just create some holograms to do the job? When the Doc was gone for an episode, Tom and Harry tried to create a new doc. You'ld think, creating a nurse would be simpler since he/she would be just assisting. Just a thought.
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Much easier to enlist Voyager crewmembers, such as Tom Paris and Kes, to help out. At least they can't go offline or have their programs taken over by sentient WMDs.
And it failed, miserably. Even when they had a template and an idea of how an EMH should work, they couldn't do it.
Creatin' an all new medical holographic program would have been beyond 'em.
And I've known a few nurses who would disagree with the idea that they can get away with knowin' less than a doctor, because they are just "assisting."
Right, Probbably easier to have real crew to do it, also the doctor was quite capable on his own anyway
, Without Paris.
^ It would probably still be too difficult. Then again it didn't seem to take them too long to create the Crell Moset hologram...
So do I actually. I once went to a doctor for a diagnostic test and the nurse knew more than him (she had a Doctorate in Nursing actually).
So do I actually. I once went to a doctor for a diagnostic test and the nurse knew more than him (she had a Doctorate in Nursing actually).
This is one of things that annoyed me more than anything- there wasn't even a massive time gap between the Paris/Kim failed attempt and the extreme ease of creating Crell Moset. Grrrrrr...
One of the biggest assets of Kes as a nurse - pre-holographic emitter - is that she could actually leave Sickbay. If you had an emergency outside of Sickbay, Kes would be the one on hand.
Any holo-nurse wouldn't have had that mobility, so a holo-nurse wouldn't have been that useful until around season four, when our only nurse was the conn officer doing two jobs.
Any holo-nurse wouldn't have had that mobility, so a holo-nurse wouldn't have been that useful until around season four, when our only nurse was the conn officer doing two jobs.
Question: Would the Sickbay emitters be capable of handling two sophisticated, always-on holo's? (Can't, for the life of me, remember if the Doc ever had a copy of himself or another high-end holo in sickbay)
Apart from the (I think) obvious "just have multiple, first-run-state versions of the Doc on hand" suggestion AND a reminder that men can and are nurses too, the idea of having a nurse holo to hand sounds quite funky
Kes was an absolute luvvey and @ Keggs post, the dramatic shift between Kes being an intelligent, independent extension of The Sickbay Team to the Kes-less state/ Mobile Emitter phase... It cries out for someone who knows what a medical tricorder looks like.
Obviously, not Paris the He-Himbo
I wonder though, in relation to what others have said about Nurses knowledge matching and/or exceeding Doctors, would a second, possibly subservient doctor-class Holo not be a smarter idea. Mind the homestead while the Doctor galivants?
Apart from the (I think) obvious "just have multiple, first-run-state versions of the Doc on hand" suggestion AND a reminder that men can and are nurses too, the idea of having a nurse holo to hand sounds quite funky
Kes was an absolute luvvey and @ Keggs post, the dramatic shift between Kes being an intelligent, independent extension of The Sickbay Team to the Kes-less state/ Mobile Emitter phase... It cries out for someone who knows what a medical tricorder looks like. Obviously, not Paris the He-Himbo
I wonder though, in relation to what others have said about Nurses knowledge matching and/or exceeding Doctors, would a second, possibly subservient doctor-class Holo not be a smarter idea. Mind the homestead while the Doctor galivants?
Oops, disregard the first query of the last post- just watched Equinox Part II, the Doc and his evil twin in sickbay at the same time. :P
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There was an episode where somehow a backup of the doctor got left behind on an alien world.
Prior to it being left behind (for reasons I don't know) why didn't they just activate it and have two doctors?
Prior to it being left behind (for reasons I don't know) why didn't they just activate it and have two doctors?
worst case, if they couldn't recreate the Doctor for some reason, no reason they couldn't have at least had holograms of OTHER nurses/doctors running around. They've got tons of historical characters, fire up a fairly recent one that had a doctor or nurse in it, and 'borrow' them. Then again, but the time they were making Fairhaven and the like, they were doing just fine with holograms, programing them, setting up what they 'know', etc. no reason they couldnt have made more doctors by then...
The latest Voyager book has a ship with supplemental holographic nurses, holo-engineers, holo-security guards, etc.
Frankly, I like the idea of holo-help - I find it extremely credibility straining that Voyager survived with a medical staff of TWO for the first three years, and then having the medical assistant being the SHIP'S BEST PILOT. From an in-universe perspective, I don't understand why the ship's best pilot, who would need to be at the helm during emergencies, is the 'most qualified' nurse. I mean, wouldn't Chakotay's crew have had a medic on board themselves who could take on duties in Sickbay?
I mean, what would be so wrong with pulling a couple of people and saying 'you and you are going to be working in Sickbay, brush up on your medicine,' and give the Doctor a story early on about establishing himself as the ship's CMO, not just a highly advanced lightbulb. And if they didn't do that, whip up an 'intern' hologram or two - someone who is learning from the Doctor and isn't required to know all these complicated medical techniques from the get-go. It would even help the whole holo-rights crusade Voyager launched itself on, having more holograms who develop sentience. A one-man crusade in an unusual case is hard to go on. Add a few more characters, and suddenly, he's got a species on his hands.
I mean, what would be so wrong with pulling a couple of people and saying 'you and you are going to be working in Sickbay, brush up on your medicine,' and give the Doctor a story early on about establishing himself as the ship's CMO, not just a highly advanced lightbulb. And if they didn't do that, whip up an 'intern' hologram or two - someone who is learning from the Doctor and isn't required to know all these complicated medical techniques from the get-go. It would even help the whole holo-rights crusade Voyager launched itself on, having more holograms who develop sentience. A one-man crusade in an unusual case is hard to go on. Add a few more characters, and suddenly, he's got a species on his hands.
But were both on the hologrid, or was one operating from the portable emitter?
In "The Killing Game", we see the ship's holosystems are quite capable of supporting holoactivity everywhere, not just on the holodecks, if one does a little bit of redecorating. If the original sickbay holosystems thus couldn't support more than one EMH, extensions could probably easily be rigged in "The Killing Game" style, then.
We don't know when the EMH got left behind. Could have been much later than "Nothing Human"; perhaps a portable backup EMH was not devised until just before "Homestead", the last episode to feature the entire cast seen in this "Living Witness" episode where the EMH backup was left behind.
Or then "Living Witness" could have happened in a slightly different timeline, since the future is always in flux, and this one happened 700 years in the future.
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