Gaping plot hole which may have been covered already!

[Devon]

What was inconsistent about it?

You can use red matter in exactly the same way and it will either send you back in time or blow up planets.

Actually, it's the black hole that does this, and this apparently complies with some working theories that suggest some phenomenon is possible. Not sure why you would consider this "inconsistent" when it just means that it can function in several different ways... just like anything. Either way, good luck disproving that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought the planet "imploded", which resulted in a blackhole. The earlier blackhole from the Hobus Star was the one used as a wormhole to travel in time. so you have

1) Redmatter creates a blackhole
2) Blackhole is used to travel in time/alternate reality.

The time travel is an unintended side effect.

What's the problem?

 

[npsf3000]

Plus one tiny drop of red matter will suck a planet into a black hole, but a huge mass of it the size of a really big beach ball will be just enough to destroy a big starship and can be repelled by a m/am blast.

You complain that the physics is not real then say stupid stuff like this?

Refering to a not blackhole related example, think of it as gunpowder - properly placed it can cause a devastating explosion. Yet spread all of the ground its potency is close to 0.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Maybe we're having to make it all up ourselves due to sub-par expositional techniques utilised in the movie?

Sorry, I like a movie that leaves me with a few things to think over.

Do we really want ST movies that spoonfeed us to the extent that we have nothing left to say except "I liked it" or "I hated it"?

Are ST XI's unexplained plot threads any worse than "Where did Vejur and Decker go?", "Why did Khan leave one glove on?", "Why didn't Kruge beam Valkris aboard before destroying the Merchantman", and so on.

 

[number6]

Maybe we're having to make it all up ourselves due to sub-par expositional techniques utilised in the movie?

Sorry, I like a movie that leaves me with a few things to think over.

Do we really want ST movies that spoonfeed us to the extent that we have nothing left to say except "I liked it" or "I hated it"?

Are ST XI's unexplained plot threads any worse than "Where did Vejur and Decker go?", "Why did Khan leave one glove on?", "Why didn't Kruge beam Valkris aboard before destroying the Merchantman", and so on.

Or the important threads about Scotty's moustache and Montalban's "fake" chest.

 

[startrekrcks]

I am getting fed up with people nitpicking and bashing this brilliant reboot of Star Trek

 

[Shazam!]

I am getting fed up with people nitpicking and bashing this brilliant reboot of Star Trek

Why?

 

[Shazam!]

Actually, it's the black hole that does this, and this apparently complies with some working theories that suggest some phenomenon is possible.

The black hole either dicides to kill you or throw you back in time? Man, those black holes are dicks.

 

[SilentP]

Actually, it's the black hole that does this, and this apparently complies with some working theories that suggest some phenomenon is possible.

The black hole either dicides to kill you or throw you back in time? Man, those black holes are dicks.

Black hole singularities used to give me nightmares as a child, no kidding

 

[Shazam!]

Makes them feel superior.

He says, from the highest or horses.

 

[Shazam!]

Black hole singularities used to give me nightmares as a child, no kidding

LOL I used to know some guy that would start shouting if he started thinking about the complexities of the universe for too long.

 

[SilentP]

Black hole singularities used to give me nightmares as a child, no kidding

LOL I used to know some guy that would start shouting if he started thinking about the complexities of the universe for too long.

Q wasn't kidding when he talked about the potential horrors of the universe/galaxy

 

[Shazam!]

Do we really want ST movies that spoonfeed us to the extent that we have nothing left to say except "I liked it" or "I hated it"?

No-one wants things to be explained in excrutiating details and fed to you on a giant spoon

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I think one of my main issues is that the red matter/black holes did exactly what the story required them to do at that time which I found lazy. You may as well have had an instance were the black hole produced a giant dog and we all go, "oh yeah, it does that because the Enterprise was moving slightly slower this time round".

 

[SilentP]

You may as well have had an instance were the black hole produced a giant dog and we all go, "oh yeah, it does that because the Enterprise was moving slightly slower this time round".

Scotty: Ooooh, so that's where it went.

 

[Shazam!]

LOL

 

[Nerys Myk]

Makes them feel superior.

He says, from the highest or horses.

Its an opinion I formed based on observation. People like being "the smartest person in the room" and having knowledge that others seem to lack. Reboots tend to make that knowledge irrelevent.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Do we really want ST movies that spoonfeed us to the extent that we have nothing left to say except "I liked it" or "I hated it"?

No-one wants things to be explained in excrutiating details and fed to you on a giant spoon

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I think one of my main issues is that the red matter/black holes did exactly what the story required them to do at that time which I found lazy. You may as well have had an instance were the black hole produced a giant dog and we all go, "oh yeah, it does that because the Enterprise was moving slightly slower this time round".

The focus of the movie is on the characters and iconography, where it should be.

Like the Genesis Device, it is a pseudoscientific phenomena with specific characteristics that merely drive the plot to set things up.

It is not lazy to envisage a substance that can create a kind of black hole that allows a strong enough vessel to break through spacetime.

Some things to note:

- In all instances of Time Travel through the singularity, the ships involved had the possibility of protecting themselves from destruction before passing through/around the singularity itself, and thus remained intact through the "white hole" on the other side.
- In cases where a Star, Planet or Spacecraft is presumed destroyed, there was no capability via shielding or warp bubbles to protect said objects/vessels.
- Red Matter appears to be destabilized by extreme heat, since the 3 occasions in which a Singularity is generated, it is via accompanied by a heat source (Hobus Star, Vulcan's Core and the Jellyfish colliding with the Narada).

All of these attributes are consistent within the story, and the drilling to a planet's core to deliver the Red Matter to destroy said planet makes sense as a usage method.

The Red Matter and Black Hole has been consistent in it's behaviour from what I saw.

 

[Devon]

Actually, it's the black hole that does this, and this apparently complies with some working theories that suggest some phenomenon is possible.

The black hole either dicides to kill you or throw you back in time? Man, those black holes are dicks.

And that's all there is to them. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing inconsistent.

 

[M'Sharak]

The black hole either dicides to kill you or throw you back in time? Man, those black holes are dicks.

That's darn near sig-worthy, that is.


Seriously, though, it's not the black hole deciding. In the case of the black hole which swallowed the Hobus star/superdupernova, the Narada and the Jellyfish were too close when the black hole was formed and were drawn into the associated wormhole, while at the end of the movie, the black hole was formed inside the Narada, using its and the Jellyfish's matter. It's a matter of relative position: "we're traveling whole through a conduit triggered by the formation of a black hole made of this other matter" versus "whoops, we're imploding, because the black hole is being made of us!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm no physicist nor do I play one on the internet, but time travel via blackhole/wormhole/Einstein-Rosen Bridge is something that has been theorized so I don't see a problem with the red matter created hole doing just that. A black hole can also "kill" you according to current theories, again no problem with the red matter created hole doing that. So yes there are at least two possibilities when interacting with a black hole: death or time travel. I guess the result would depend on the nature of the interaction.