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SG-U – Air I and II (1x01/02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

Grade Air Part 1 and Air Part 2 – 2 Hour Premier

  • 9 Chevrons – Out of this Universe (A+)

    Votes: 15 8.7%
  • 8 Chevrons – Beyond the known Galaxies

    Votes: 55 32.0%
  • 7 Chevrons – In the Milky Way Galaxy

    Votes: 54 31.4%
  • 6 Chevrons – Within our Solar System

    Votes: 16 9.3%
  • 5 Chevrons – Haven’t got past Earth (Average)

    Votes: 10 5.8%
  • 4 Chevrons – No flying machines at all

    Votes: 10 5.8%
  • 3 Chevrons – Pre-Industrial

    Votes: 6 3.5%
  • 2 Chevrons – Dark Ages

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 1 Chevron – Throwing rocks and stones here

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Cannot Establish Lock – Doesn’t even exist (F)

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    172
The pilot didn't really focus on the characters themselves as people it was all about the trip and survival. I am sure we will see them get fleshed out as the season goes on.
 
Dr. Lee was the one Rush found himself inside, but there is no indication that he actually talked to anyone.
Now, was that showing Rush communicating through Lee at that time or was that another flashback? I got the impression it was just a flashback.
 
Dr. Lee was the one Rush found himself inside, but there is no indication that he actually talked to anyone.
Now, was that showing Rush communicating through Lee at that time or was that another flashback? I got the impression it was just a flashback.

Looked to me like Rush activated the communications stones, the next scene we see Doctor Lee reading, the camera pans in to the security monitor also showing Doctor Lee, then the camera pans out and it's Doctor Rush. So he obviously activated the stones and took over Lee's body.

What he did after that, we don't see.

Not a flashback.
 
Why has no one mentioned the possibility that HE was the one that called down the Lucien Alliance upon them? He definitely has an agenda of some kind. And do we know he was actually using the stones to contact SGC? The guy he swapped with looked like the geeky scientist from SG1, but we don't know where he was exactly.

Ohhh, that is a good point, what if Rush was the one that called the Lucien Alliance?

You cannot be serious. Rush had run out of ideas of how to dial using the 9th chevron. It was Eli that wanted to try using Earth as the origin symbol. Why would Rush call in an assault if he wasn't 100% sure of himself to be able to dial out? No it does not make sense.
 
Why has no one mentioned the possibility that HE was the one that called down the Lucien Alliance upon them? He definitely has an agenda of some kind. And do we know he was actually using the stones to contact SGC? The guy he swapped with looked like the geeky scientist from SG1, but we don't know where he was exactly.

Ohhh, that is a good point, what if Rush was the one that called the Lucien Alliance?

You cannot be serious. Rush had run out of ideas of how to dial using the 9th chevron. It was Eli that wanted to try using Earth as the origin symbol. Why would Rush call in an assault if he wasn't 100% sure of himself to be able to dial out? No it does not make sense.

He was convinced Eli's strategy would work, and it would be the only way to force everybody through the stargate.

Honestly, the character would have to be pretty stupid to set the gate to the nine-digit-symbol during the emergency unless that was the plan all along (with him having a good idea of what was over there).
 
Did it seem to anyone else that Rush knew more about where it was going to send them than anyone else? He seemed to go in knowing more than everyone about their situation.
 
Did it seem to anyone else that Rush knew more about where it was going to send them than anyone else?

I'm convinced that the set-up makes zero sense otherwise. He either planned it out, or the whole show is a result of some truly ridiculous plot contrivances.
 
Did it seem to anyone else that Rush knew more about where it was going to send them than anyone else? He seemed to go in knowing more than everyone about their situation.

Possibly, but that could be misdirection. Rush's advanced knowledge of Ancient language, culture, and technology (hey, why did we never hear about this guy before, anyway?) mean that he'll be able to understand more things about the ship and understand them faster than everyone else.
 
I didn't get to watch the premiere live, but I caught it on Hulu the day after. It seems like a promising series, although I can't say that I like any of the characters much so far. And is the SGC now located in the Pentagon (reflecting the real-life departure of NORAD from Cheyenne Mountain)? That wasn't made clear in the episode.
 
Ohhh, that is a good point, what if Rush was the one that called the Lucien Alliance?

You cannot be serious. Rush had run out of ideas of how to dial using the 9th chevron. It was Eli that wanted to try using Earth as the origin symbol. Why would Rush call in an assault if he wasn't 100% sure of himself to be able to dial out? No it does not make sense.

He was convinced Eli's strategy would work, and it would be the only way to force everybody through the stargate.

Honestly, the character would have to be pretty stupid to set the gate to the nine-digit-symbol during the emergency unless that was the plan all along (with him having a good idea of what was over there).

This doesn't follow. What would Rush's motivation be for intentionally wanting to create an emergency situation in order to force everyone through the gate?

Did it seem to anyone else that Rush knew more about where it was going to send them than anyone else? He seemed to go in knowing more than everyone about their situation.

Possibly, but that could be misdirection. Rush's advanced knowledge of Ancient language, culture, and technology (hey, why did we never hear about this guy before, anyway?) mean that he'll be able to understand more things about the ship and understand them faster than everyone else.

The reason we haven't heard about this guy before is because this is the first episode.
 
You cannot be serious. Rush had run out of ideas of how to dial using the 9th chevron. It was Eli that wanted to try using Earth as the origin symbol. Why would Rush call in an assault if he wasn't 100% sure of himself to be able to dial out? No it does not make sense.

He was convinced Eli's strategy would work, and it would be the only way to force everybody through the stargate.

Honestly, the character would have to be pretty stupid to set the gate to the nine-digit-symbol during the emergency unless that was the plan all along (with him having a good idea of what was over there).

This doesn't follow. What would Rush's motivation be for intentionally wanting to create an emergency situation in order to force everyone through the gate?

I'm still waiting for the writers to fill us in on that one, but I don't buy for a second that he was stupid enough to open the nine-chevron gate during an emergency evacuation without that being the plan all along. He either has a larger plan, or he is a complete idiot. I'm waiting for the writers to let us know for sure.
 
I'm still waiting for the writers to fill us in on that one, but I don't buy for a second that he was stupid enough to open the nine-chevron gate during an emergency evacuation without that being the plan all along. He either has a larger plan, or he is a complete idiot. I'm waiting for the writers to let us know for sure.

He was presented with an emergency situation in which he faced losing the Icarus base forever - he establishes in dialogue this is the only place that the 9-symbol address can be dialled from. He has a working Stargate in front of him, a legitimate reason not to dial Earth, and an idea how to make the 9-symbol address work.
Put that together, and you have a scientist desperate not to see his work vaporised when he's this close to figuring it out. Maybe, in retrospect, a dumb decision, but a completely believable one in context.

He knew more about the situation later on because he spent most of the two-parter standing at a control console while everyone else was wandering around or playing with the flying MALPs. He had a chance to look through tonnes of stuff about the ship in that time.
 
I'm still waiting for the writers to fill us in on that one, but I don't buy for a second that he was stupid enough to open the nine-chevron gate during an emergency evacuation without that being the plan all along. He either has a larger plan, or he is a complete idiot. I'm waiting for the writers to let us know for sure.

He was presented with an emergency situation in which he faced losing the Icarus base forever - he establishes in dialogue this is the only place that the 9-symbol address can be dialled from. He has a working Stargate in front of him, a legitimate reason not to dial Earth, and an idea how to make the 9-symbol address work.

It was an evacuation, and he could have dialed anywhere other than Earth (pick a barren planet if you want). Obviously, the nine-chevron address can at least theoretically be dialed from somewhere else (as it was originally supposed to be dialed from Earth). It's not worth putting everybody's lives at risk (including a freaking Senator, dozens of civilians, and an IOA representative).

Put that together, and you have a scientist desperate not to see his work vaporised when he's this close to figuring it out. Maybe, in retrospect, a dumb decision, but a completely believable one in context.
I have zero sympathy for him if that's all there is to the situation.
 
I'm still waiting for the writers to fill us in on that one, but I don't buy for a second that he was stupid enough to open the nine-chevron gate during an emergency evacuation without that being the plan all along. He either has a larger plan, or he is a complete idiot. I'm waiting for the writers to let us know for sure.

He was presented with an emergency situation in which he faced losing the Icarus base forever - he establishes in dialogue this is the only place that the 9-symbol address can be dialled from. He has a working Stargate in front of him, a legitimate reason not to dial Earth, and an idea how to make the 9-symbol address work.

It was an evacuation, and he could have dialed anywhere other than Earth (pick a barren planet if you want). Obviously, the nine-chevron address can at least theoretically be dialed from somewhere else (as it was originally supposed to be dialed from Earth). It's not worth putting everybody's lives at risk (including a freaking Senator, dozens of civilians, and an IOA representative).

Put that together, and you have a scientist desperate not to see his work vaporised when he's this close to figuring it out. Maybe, in retrospect, a dumb decision, but a completely believable one in context.
I have zero sympathy for him if that's all there is to the situation.

I have no sympathy for him either. The best thing for him to have done at that point would be to dial any other planet, even an uninhabited one because they would have a chance of returning to Earth -- his work on the ninth chevron be damned.

It still, however, makes a lot more sense than him secretly collaborating with the Lucian Alliance to have the base attacked in order to force an evacuation and to force his scientific work to be put in imminent jeopardy and risk losing it all when the alternative would have been having many more months or years available to him to figure out the gate.

Him collaborating the the Lucian Alliance simply makes zero sense.
 
I didn't get to watch the premiere live, but I caught it on Hulu the day after. It seems like a promising series, although I can't say that I like any of the characters much so far. And is the SGC now located in the Pentagon (reflecting the real-life departure of NORAD from Cheyenne Mountain)? That wasn't made clear in the episode.

Nope, it wasn't made clear yet where the SGC is located. Surely they aren't keeping the Stargate at the Pentagon, heh. Who knows really.
 
You cannot be serious. Rush had run out of ideas of how to dial using the 9th chevron. It was Eli that wanted to try using Earth as the origin symbol. Why would Rush call in an assault if he wasn't 100% sure of himself to be able to dial out? No it does not make sense.

He was convinced Eli's strategy would work, and it would be the only way to force everybody through the stargate.

Honestly, the character would have to be pretty stupid to set the gate to the nine-digit-symbol during the emergency unless that was the plan all along (with him having a good idea of what was over there).

This doesn't follow. What would Rush's motivation be for intentionally wanting to create an emergency situation in order to force everyone through the gate?

Did it seem to anyone else that Rush knew more about where it was going to send them than anyone else? He seemed to go in knowing more than everyone about their situation.

Possibly, but that could be misdirection. Rush's advanced knowledge of Ancient language, culture, and technology (hey, why did we never hear about this guy before, anyway?) mean that he'll be able to understand more things about the ship and understand them faster than everyone else.

The reason we haven't heard about this guy before is because this is the first episode.

They could have mentioned the name Rush in the Atlantis finale at least, I think it makes sense that Rush is on the team studying Atlantis now that it is on Earth, they shoulda just made a name drop.
 
It was an evacuation, and he could have dialed anywhere other than Earth (pick a barren planet if you want). Obviously, the nine-chevron address can at least theoretically be dialed from somewhere else (as it was originally supposed to be dialed from Earth). It's not worth putting everybody's lives at risk (including a freaking Senator, dozens of civilians, and an IOA representative).

Keep in mind that he might not have intended that to be their evac point; maybe he just wanted to know if the connection would be made or not, while he still had the opportunity to find out.

Only after the Gate stopped accepting input for whatever reason was the Destiny forced as their evac point.
 
I had trouble hearing alot of the dialog. But that could be due to my snoring. I did actually like the nuBSG look. I think its not really just BSG, its just more realistic. Although the sex scene seemed a bit forced. Like, "see, we're cutting edge real over here!" I hope that doesnt become too common. I thought that was beaten to death with number 6 and Boltar.

The whole cast seemed red-shirt disposable to me. No strong characters, mediocre acting, and slow, sleepy pace. At least the "Last Starfighter"-esque math wizkid was not 12. Thats a plus.

All in all, a bit of a clunker. On the other hand, Im an optimist. Lets see if they breathe a little life into this stiff.

4/10
 
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