Multiple Warp Cores?

[Cryogenic]

I did a search before making this post, so forgive me if someone else has noticed, but...

Where does this idea of multiple cores come from? The new Enterprise is the same as always: it has ONE, and only one, core.

Scotty clearly says, "If we eject the core and detonate...",

and then goes over to a computer station with a graphic that clearly reads:

"EXTREME DANGER
EMERGENCY WARP CORE EJECT"

Just curious as to how it's being circulated that the Enterprise has multiple warp cores when, clearly, it doesn't?

 

[urbandk]

I think it comes from the multiple kegs ejected into space in that scene, truly a tragedy of frat party proportions.

 

[Kpnuts]

I did a search before making this post, so forgive me if someone else has noticed, but...

Where does this idea of multiple cores come from? The new Enterprise is the same as always: it has ONE, and only one, core.

Scotty clearly says, "If we eject the core and detonate...",

and then goes over to a computer station with a graphic that clearly reads:

"EXTREME DANGER
EMERGENCY WARP CORE EJECT"

Just curious as to how it's being circulated that the Enterprise has multiple warp cores when, clearly, it doesn't?

On-screen evidence says otherwise. It's obvious for all to see so I'm not sure how you're so confused.

One core clearly comprises multiple mini cores.

 

[Nick Ryder]

Well even in the NextGen era where we've seen warp core ejections, there are multiple pieces that make up the core. Perhaps in the NuTOS era the "core" is actually a series of objects and to eject the "core" means to dump 'em all, since they're probably all in a series.

Suppose it makes the nu1701 look older since its "core" is a bunch of things and when you go further ahead, its just one unit. Like saying "take out the battery" means taking out all the batteries, maybe when its in the ship itself it looks like one big thing, but when you eject it, its like taking the plastic covering off a cordless phone battery there's like 3-4 batteries inside that "one" battery.

 

[Cryogenic]

Exactly, Nick, exactly. I have observed fans playing fast and loose with the sight of multiple components ejected, erroneously claiming that the nuEnterprise is innovative for having multiple redundant cores, even though the dialogue and computer readout say otherwise. Rather odd.

 

[Patrickivan]

In the new movie, (think it was Pike), someone said to transfer power from the port nacelle. Not re-route power going to the nacelle... That suggested to me the possiblility of the Nacelles having their own reactors. Though it could also have suggested that power being sent to the nacelle, was to be routed elsewhere. But all those little pods ejecting from the spine of the ship could have been anything related to the warp core/ reactor...

In TOS, I recently saw an episode where the nacelles were clearly refered to as power units, suggesting multiple reactors... Shit- now I have to run upstairs to get the reference (I wrote it down)...

Arrggg! I can't find it! I swear that I just wrote it down... I'll find it.

 

[Kpnuts]

Exactly, Nick, exactly. I have observed fans playing fast and loose with the sight of multiple components ejected, erroneously claiming that the nuEnterprise is innovative for having multiple redundant cores, even though the dialogue and computer readout say otherwise. Rather odd.

The script was written before the visual effects dept worked on the ejection sequence. It was a last minute to decision to include multiple cores.

 

[RAMA]

In the new movie, (think it was Pike), someone said to transfer power from the port nacelle. Not re-route power going to the nacelle... That suggested to me the possiblility of the Nacelles having their own reactors. Though it could also have suggested that power being sent to the nacelle, was to be routed elsewhere. But all those little pods ejecting from the spine of the ship could have been anything related to the warp core/ reactor...

In TOS, I recently saw an episode where the nacelles were clearly refered to as power units, suggesting multiple reactors... Shit- now I have to run upstairs to get the reference (I wrote it down)...

Arrggg! I can't find it! I swear that I just wrote it down... I'll find it.

 

[Jax]

I love the overall core being seperated into smaller parts.

 

[JarodRussell]

There's no reason to call it "the core" when it's several pieces. Really, think about it. It's actually an antimatter reactor, that fuels the warp engine. It's called "the warp core" because it's one unit. If there were several reactors, you would not refer to it as "the warp core".

It's also useless to try to bring TOS canon into this. Yes, in TOS they implied the nacelles are the power source. That's what Matt Jefferies wanted. But Matt Jefferies would also turn in his grave at the sight of this horrible nuTrek engine room, because that's exactly what he didn't want to have there. And the other Trek since TMP have overwritten the canon so that there is one single warp core in the engineering section powering the nacelles. The new movie is simply ignoring it.


It's a mess up, by accident or not. The movie has some of them. Like in the beginning, aboard the Kelvin, when Robau takes a turbolift to the shuttlebay. The shuttlebay, the engineering section, is above the saucer. Yet within the engineering section, we see the turbolift going doing. From where did it come from? Did it go down from the bridge into the saucer, horizontal to the neck, up the neck, up the whole engineering section and then again coming down? Makes no sense.

The escape pod is launched from one of those little docking ports, if I remember correctly. And I'm not sure, but I think it's even launched from the docking port on the neck, although the neck had been hid by a missile in the battle before.

 

[Tom Servo]

There's no reason to call it "the core" when it's several pieces. Really, think about it. It's actually an antimatter reactor, that fuels the warp engine. It's called "the warp core" because it's one unit. If there were several reactors, you would not refer to it as "the warp core".

It's also useless to try to bring TOS canon into this. Yes, in TOS they implied the nacelles are the power source. That's what Matt Jefferies wanted. But Matt Jefferies would also turn in his grave at the sight of this horrible nuTrek engine room, because that's exactly what he didn't want to have there. And the other Trek since TMP have overwritten the canon so that there is one single warp core in the engineering section powering the nacelles. The new movie is simply ignoring it.


It's a mess up, by accident or not. The movie has some of them. Like in the beginning, aboard the Kelvin, when Robau takes a turbolift to the shuttlebay. The shuttlebay, the engineering section, is above the saucer. Yet within the engineering section, we see the turbolift going doing. From where did it come from? Did it go down from the bridge into the saucer, horizontal to the neck, up the neck, up the whole engineering section and then again coming down? Makes no sense.

The escape pod is launched from one of those little docking ports, if I remember correctly. And I'm not sure, but I think it's even launched from the docking port on the neck, although the neck had been hid by a missile in the battle before.

Actually the turbolift going up and over on the Kelvin makes perfect sense. I can see it going up the neck, over the engineering sections, and down to where Robau got off.

While I agree about the escape pod coming out of the docking port on the neck, the damage from the missile earlier in the film is still clearly visible there, and later in the film.

 

[M'Sharak]

In the new movie, (think it was Pike), someone said to transfer power from the port nacelle. Not re-route power going to the nacelle... That suggested to me the possiblility of the Nacelles having their own reactors. Though it could also have suggested that power being sent to the nacelle, was to be routed elsewhere. But all those little pods ejecting from the spine of the ship could have been anything related to the warp core/ reactor...

In TOS, I recently saw an episode where the nacelles were clearly refered to as power units, suggesting multiple reactors... Shit- now I have to run upstairs to get the reference (I wrote it down)...

Arrggg! I can't find it! I swear that I just wrote it down... I'll find it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/RAMA4444/vlcsnap-2009-09-30-19h47m28s148.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/RAMA4444/vlcsnap-2009-09-30-19h49m48s9.png

Perhaps you could add a few words about just what you believe either image has got to do with anything in Patrickivan's post? I'm not seeing a clear connection.

 

[LisbonPlayer]

In the new movie, (think it was Pike), someone said to transfer power from the port nacelle. Not re-route power going to the nacelle... That suggested to me the possiblility of the Nacelles having their own reactors. Though it could also have suggested that power being sent to the nacelle, was to be routed elsewhere. But all those little pods ejecting from the spine of the ship could have been anything related to the warp core/ reactor...

Pike ordered to transfer power from the nacelle shield to the forward shield.

As for the multi-core reactor, and since this is a parallel reality, I see it as a desperate attempt by Starfleet engineers to counter a mysterious romulan ubership. One can postulate that the vertical intermix chamber (the radical new design from TMP) is still in early development at that time and the best quick and safe solution to improve warp output is to use four (or six, or eight, can’t remember) reactors working in tandem, instead of a single warp reactor.
At least it’s an in universe excuse for using the brewery...

 

[SilentP]

Maybe they finally figured out in the nuTrek 'verse that having the core split into smaller sections was safer, since in the PrimeVerse, you rarely ever saw those warp core ejection systems working properly. That woman you saw that got yanked out the Kelvin by decompression? She was going to be the one to rubber stamp single piece cores and ejection systems.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

The escape pod is launched from one of those little docking ports, if I remember correctly. And I'm not sure, but I think it's even launched from the docking port on the neck, although the neck had been hid by a missile in the battle before.

The impact from the missiles was well behind the docking port. You can see where the hull was breached during the "OMFG BLACK HOLE SUCKIN US IN" scene.

 

[SalvorHardin]

It's a mess up, by accident or not. The movie has some of them. Like in the beginning, aboard the Kelvin, when Robau takes a turbolift to the shuttlebay. The shuttlebay, the engineering section, is above the saucer. Yet within the engineering section, we see the turbolift going doing. From where did it come from? Did it go down from the bridge into the saucer, horizontal to the neck, up the neck, up the whole engineering section and then again coming down? Makes no sense.

Robau takes the turbolift from the bridge. It can do nothing but go down from there.

Robau goes into the bridge turbolift --cut--> turbolift inevitably goes down to somewhere --cut--> Robau is seen going up a long flight of stairs --cut--> Robau is seeing walking on a long corridor --cut--> Robau reaches shuttle.

 

[SonicRanger]

It probably makes little sense for a warp core ejection to leave the antimatter containment pods still on the ship. And you certainly don't need antimatter once you've ejected the reactor itself. Hell, you can probably keep the core itself if you eject the antimatter pods.

Therefore, the ejection system probably ejects all of the antimatter bottles at the same time the reactor (or core, if you prefer) is ejected -- and that's what we saw.

 

[barnaclelapse]

That makes perfect sense to me, and I gotta say that this is one of those things that I've never been especially good at understanding, so thanks to everyone who made it fairly easy to understand for dumbasses like me.

 

[Bones2]

They ejected all the beer vats into space, and that's why old Scotty drinks scotch.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

Maybe the Enterprise is QuadCore like my processor.