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Nerys Ghemor's DS9 Episode Review Thread

Anyway... just like every time in a similar situation, I felt the need to answer with that my signature, i.e. Garak's line from "Second Skin". I felt a little irritated that Kira apologized to Tahna, alhough it makes sense for her character at the time. But it's just one of those moments when you can't help thinking "what are you apologizing for to that jerk?"

This was a strong episode, stronger than I remembered it. And it makes sense that it was decided it should air before "A Man Alone" - although that one was not bad, either. It is an important episode that does a lot to develop Kira, define her loyalties and her new role and her relationship with Sisko. (A minor observation - I never understood why some people had a problem with her hairstyle or her early look in general - I don't find her hair or look 'mannish' or whatever else some people said, at all. She looked great - as she did with different hairstyles she had later. But I always had a girlcrush on Kira and found her much more attractive than Dax. :))

It's nice to see the important relationships established very early - the depth of Odo/Kira friendship is highlighted in both PP and AMA, although we'll have to wait till season 2 to get the explanation on its history. "Babel" is full of good Odo/Quark moments; Quark is really one of the characters that was established in the fastest and easiest way. Unlike, for instance, Bashir. He really was as annoying as I remembered him back then. Is he the character that changed the most during the course of the show? It was weird, however, to hear Jadzia smugly say that Trills are too mature to care about dating and sex, since it totally contradicts everything we would subsequentlylearn about the Trills, Curzon and Jadzia herself. It was also weird to hear Odo say that he knew Quark wa lying when he said Rom had repaired the replicator, because "Rom is an idiot". Well, Rom still seemed like an idiot a few seasons later, but he turned out ot be a super-talented engineer... Irony or what?

One thing that strikes me during this rewatch is that Sisko is actually very well established as a character from the start - from the way he smilingly blackmails Quark in the pilot, to the way he threatens Kira in 'Past Prologue", it's already clear that this guy is really not Picard (although he'll only say it a couple episodes later...) - and that Avery Brooks was much better than I remembered it. I was long in two minds about his acting, due to his strange, histrionic diction that he always has when he gets into big, dramatic speeches... but now that I have gotten used to it, I don't really have a problem with it, I see it as a part of Sisko's persona. Still, I think Brooks is better in his more restrained, low-key moments and I think he was actually already excellent in these early episodes.

As for Cardassians, well, I would argue that Gul Evec was portrayed in a rather balanced way, and that we got to see him at the of "Journey's End" as a sufficiently reasonable person, with a human (for the lack of better word) side (when he says he lost two sons in the war and doesn't want to lose the third as well). But on DS9, the Cardassians had up to this point only seemed like bullies and a constant background threat. What especially strikes me is that 2 out of 3 military guls we met in the first 2 episodes (Jasad in "Emissary" and Danar in "Past Prologue") came off as boorish, rude, in a constantly bad mood, and probably not too smart I'm sure I'd be missing Dukat at this point even if I was a first-time watcher. Then I remembered that even later, many of the Cardassian military characters seemed thuggish and a bit dim (Rusot, early Damar) an that Dukat's snakelike charm and panache is an exception rather than the rule. But - speaking of charming, flamboyant snakes - AMA fortunately introduces Garak, which more than makes up for gul Danar's boorishness. However, it is almost painful to think that he won't reappear till season 2, and that Cardassians will play a minor role in season 1 until 'Duet".

Come to think, how many Cardassians we've seen are actually slu and scheming? Other than Dukat, Garak and a couple of other Obsidian order people, most minor Cardies have either been of the thuggish variety described above, or they were nice and honest people like Tekeny Ghemor. Which is actually more realistic than if they made every Cardassian sly, witty and mysterious.

However, one thing that I found particularly interesting in those early episodes is that, while Cardassians seemed like classic villains at the time, the real main villains in each of the episodes were all Bajorans. You can see that the show enjoyed confounding expectations early on. After being introduced to Bajorans in "Emissary" as a spiritual people who have suffered terribly, and getting to know them only through a plucky, tough-as-nails heroine with a dark past (Kira) and an an angelic wise middle-aged religious woman (Kai Opaka), with "Past Prologue" and "A Man Alone" we had two episodes in a row with very different Bajoran villains: a nationalistic extremist and very dangerous terrorist (Tahna Los), an immoral and opportunistic ex-black marketeer and murderer (Ibudan), and a bloodthirsty mob out to lynch Odo not so much for being a former 'collaborator' or a suspect in a murder case, as much as simply being different. And although "Babel" does not have a villain, again it turns out, for the 3rd episode in a row, that it's the Bajorans who have caused the problem, rather than the Cardassians, and the closest thing to an antagonist is the late scientist's assistant, a selfish arsehole who does not give a damn about people on the station dying if there's a chance he'll get in trouble - and who does end up saving the day, but only after being abducted by Kira and forced to find an antidote in order to save his own skin.

This has got me thinking about all the other minor and not so minor Bajoran characters throughout DS9, and it's made me realize a couple of things. First off, Bajorans may be actually the race with the widest variety in characterization in Trek - possibly even more so than the Cardassians, and definitely more so than Trek Humans.

And second, I think I finally understand why some Trek fans hate Bajorans so much or call them "boring" - same reason why I love them and find them interesting. Out of all the races in Trek, they are most similar to humans - not the 'evolved' 24th century Trek humans, but the humans as we know them, real, unevolved, 20th century humans. But I'll elaborate more on this in a separate thread.

Great post, DevilEyes! The Cardassian reputation for cunning, sly, imaginative scheming combined with the distinctly unimaginative, thuggish ways encouraged in their career military officers is one of the great contrasts that helps make the Cardassians so interesting and complex.

I also think you're spot on with the Bajorans. Yes, I would have to agree- they are more human than the humans, and so therefore more interesting, at least to me. They also do match the Cardassians in complexity- a great pairing of cultures!
 
I think you can attribute the thuggishness and lack of imagination in certain officers to the fact that this is "career-safe" in a totalitarian government. While some ARE able to become stars and really shine, like Dukat, Evek (NOT that I really approve of them), Ghemor (who I wholeheartedly approve of), or Macet (who I PERSONALLY think was a good guy, though some will surely disagree) others just...skate by--since sticking out from the pack comes with quite a risk.

(Which explains a lot about a lot of other totalitarian governments that we see.)
 
^Gul Evek has his moments, too--his disgraceful actions in "Tribunal" notwithstanding.

In "Journey's End" (TNG), in the end, he orders a cessation of hostilities. As he told Picard, he's already lost too many sons in the first war--and that he would hate to lose any others in another one....
 
OK, just re-watched "A Man Alone."

The episode is not too bad--although I'm not sure whether it was a lack of understanding of cloning at the time (not sure Dolly had even been cloned yet?), or whether the clone of Ibudan changed its DNA sequence during the replication process, but one would've expected Bashir to figure out much earlier than he did what was going on.

Also, my other major nit was noticing that some of the characters went in and out of their normal voices. Rene Auberjonois wasn't quite getting the gravelly "Odo voice" in every scene and as for Rom...I seriously thought he was Quark once, to hear him talk.

Again Dax seemed to follow the Spock-like model. I think it might have been better if she had not outright stated that she was not concerned about relationships and if the writers had allowed that to be shown through her actions...then this version of her might've seemed more plausible. To me, she was again very much acting like Leonard Nimoy in the Altonian brain teaser scene.

(BTW, the brain teaser plays a BIG plot role in one of my short stories, "Let He Who Has Eyes See.")

It is remarkable from a series history perspective, though, to be reminded of just how inhospitable the station once was. I mean, now, after having had the benefit of seeing all of the episodes, I find myself thinking I'd want to live there over and above any other posting in Starfleet, but how different things once were!
 
^My thoughts:

I was REALLY ticked off at the fact that, as Sisko points out, NONE of the protestors apologize to Odo in the end....

And...I thought the Bajorans all respected Odo because of his commitment to justice--as was established later....

Ah well. A minor conflict....

Oh--and Rom seems to have a different voice, too--Max was still trying to find his take as well, apparently....
 
Well, are we sure the Bajorans respected Odo THAT much--or just thought he was a better alternative than the Cardassians?

And yes, that IS really unfortunate that nobody apologizes. But also not surprising... :-/
 
Seeing "Emissary" again...I have to say, I was really reminded just how much I missed the pre-"Blood Oath" Dax, the way she was before they turned her into a Klingon party girl. There was one point where she almost seemed to be channeling Leonard Nimoy, and just...overall, I like this version of her a lot more, and it's a shame that we really lose the Jadzia character after all the Klingon stuff.
You know, I think you might just have verbalized something that always bugged me about Jadzia. I always liked her more in the beginning of the series, but was never really able to pinpoint down the exact moment where her character was changed. Your suggestion of Blood Oath somehow makes a lot of sense to me now.
 
That's almost certainly where it was because then after that, everything was PARTY PARTY PARTY--just a rip-off of Curzon's personality. I think it was more interesting when Jadzia was NOT a Curzon clone.

And that's why I like Ezri.
 
That's almost certainly where it was because then after that, everything was PARTY PARTY PARTY--just a rip-off of Curzon's personality. I think it was more interesting when Jadzia was NOT a Curzon clone.

And that's why I like Ezri.

I'm going through the DS9 relaunch, (currently reading Twilight) and it's really good thing to see Ezri struggle with the idea of her identity and who she now is after the joining.

With Ezri's battle in mind you've really got to wonder if the same thing did happen to Jadzia and eventually she just Dax override her Jadzia personality.

It's almost strange in that since Ezri didn't have training in being joined, she wasn't prepared for the identity change so now she's battling. But while Jadzia was trained and knew what to expect with the joining she would have been more accepting in just letting Dax's personality push on top of her initial one.

Even though it wasn't really mentioned in the series (besides in some spots of Equilibrium), you can see between the (unintended) lines that she was struggling in the joining in quiet. (I'd also say that due to her being booted from being an Initiate once would also cause her to keep struggles quiet)
 
Well, I didn't care for Jadzia in the beginning - I thought she was kind of bland. Maybe because she was a bit insecure, or her personality hadn't been developed yet. I started liking her much better later, season 4 and later, when she seemed strong and confident in a cool way and displayed her sense of humor more.

If that is a "female Curzon", then I guess I like a female Curzon. :lol:

But from what we've seen of Curzon in "Facets", Jadzia is not Curzon - he was way louder, more flamboyant, extroverted and over-the-top. I got the impression that he was an uncontrollable force of nature and a guy who would dominate every conversation and every situation.
 
That's almost certainly where it was because then after that, everything was PARTY PARTY PARTY--just a rip-off of Curzon's personality. I think it was more interesting when Jadzia was NOT a Curzon clone.

And that's why I like Ezri.

I'm going through the DS9 relaunch, (currently reading Twilight) and it's really good thing to see Ezri struggle with the idea of her identity and who she now is after the joining.

With Ezri's battle in mind you've really got to wonder if the same thing did happen to Jadzia and eventually she just Dax override her Jadzia personality.

It's almost strange in that since Ezri didn't have training in being joined, she wasn't prepared for the identity change so now she's battling. But while Jadzia was trained and knew what to expect with the joining she would have been more accepting in just letting Dax's personality push on top of her initial one.

Even though it wasn't really mentioned in the series (besides in some spots of Equilibrium), you can see between the (unintended) lines that she was struggling in the joining in quiet. (I'd also say that due to her being booted from being an Initiate once would also cause her to keep struggles quiet)

I always thought it would've been neat if they'd gone ahead and done the abortion allegory story they had planned for Ezri. Bit more interesting than the episode about her being a coal-miner's daughter.
 
^Nah. I think, while Ezri trying to remove the symbiont was an interesting concept, such a storyline was effectively prevented by having her accept who she now is in "Afterimage".

And...I don't think it would fit with her personality that well.


As for "Prodigal Daughter", I myself kinda liked it--but it would've been cool to have it as it was originaly envisioned: Ezri Dax, Mafia Princess....
 
I didn't dislike Prodigal Daughter. It's just kinda middling. However, it was neat to see the events of (the name escapes me) the episode with O'Brien and the Orion Syndicate underboss.
 
OK, so I just watched "Babel" last night.

Was it just me, or was there something weird about the filming technique and the sound in this episode? (And I don't mean just the random words people were spewing.) I found myself distracted by something I couldn't put my finger on, all the way through.

By far the star of the episode was Quark; Odo came in as a close second. This really shed a lot of light on the way that the two of them interacted, and the reaction when Kira found out he was running Ops--priceless!

The other really chilling thing was the attitude of Surmak Ren. Did this guy and Dekon (ironic name) Ellig study under Crell Moset, or what? The fact that he showed no concern whatsoever for the fact that Bajorans were infected until Kira dropped the little bombshell on him that HE was now infected showed him to be one heck of a creepy guy. Presumably when Dekon was supposed to set this thing off, there were going to be Bajoran slaves on the station, too. Seems like the attitude of a suicide bomber, if you ask me--I mean, only someone who was completely deluded would think that ALL of the Bajorans were like Basso Tromac.

I admit, too, I can see what Dekon and Surmak were thinking with a "poetic justice" aspect to the virus--at least, I see it knowing what we know later in the series. I can't help but think they saw it as a sort of poetic justice, given how much we know Dukat is in love with the sound of his own voice, to imagine Dukat incapable of doing anything else but snarling nonsense in the most literal manner.

The delivery system for the virus I was also able to suspend disbelief on, and it's a wonder stuff like that doesn't happen more often in the Trekiverse, if it's that easy to introduce a bioweapon or any other destructive agent you want, into the replicator. This is also very smart if you're going to be delivering the virus, because then no Bajoran has to handle actual samples of the thing while on Bajor--if they're only produced on-station. But the HUGE risk Surmak and Dekon took, of course, was what if a Cardassian ship went from the station to the planet during the incubation period, before they realized what was happening? They would've infected the planet and extinguished their entire species if a cure was not administered in time--and who's to say that the Cardassians wouldn't have taken that as a provocation to commit a complete genocide against the Bajoran people?

The main trouble I had, though, was that a LOT of the science as far as the virus was concerned did not convince me. For starters, how is the virus supposed to find the speech center on so many different species? I would've understood if we'd had just Garak fall ill, or MAYBE the Bajorans as well, but that we had every species getting sick except for Changelings and Ferengi? I dunno about that. (And for that matter, where were Broik, Rom, and Nog during the crisis?) I would've understood generalized brain destruction, much like mad cow disease (BSE) does to both humans and cows, but something that targeted? I dunno about that.

Also, if this virus was severing the connections between words and their meanings, actually destroying neural tissue, shouldn't the effects have been permanent even after the antidote was administered? Of course, I know we would've had no more show in that case--but it just seems to me like the writers wrote themselves into a box there.

The last thing had to do with the reactions of the crew who became symptomatic later on. We are told that supposedly their thinking and judgment is unimpaired even though they can't communicate or understand others. O'Brien's panic and agitation made total sense because he would've had no idea what was happening--just that he was suddenly hearing and seeing nonsense around him (and from his perspective he probably felt like he was the only sane person in an asylum). But as it became known what was happening, I would've expected less and less panic from people (excepting Jake, of course, who would be too young not to). I'd say Bashir and Kira reacted more like I would've expected--Bashir was clearly upset and disappointed, but as far as we can tell, just calmly (in the outward sense, anyway) went and checked himself into the quarantine ward, and Kira seemed to take a similar attitude. (The funny thing about Kira was even though she didn't understand what Surmak was saying, you could not only see frustration on her face but some much-deserved contempt at that asshole's tone of voice.)

But here's the other thing. You would've thought that later on, there would be some means of communicating that you were infected without trying to speak--something that MIGHT have allowed for communication until the fever stage hit. We saw from Jake and Dax that gesturing was unaffected...some sort of signing might have at least calmed SOME of the patients' frustrations. (And when you're fighting a disease that deadly, I would think that reducing agitation would be physically good for you and give you more energy to fight against the virus.)

Anyway, just my rambling thoughts!
 
^ Great review, as always. :) I can't think of much to add to that. I quite like the episode, for (once again, following on from "Past Prologue") making the Bajoran-Cardassian situation as grey and complex as possible despite being only a few episodes into the series. It demonstrated quite admirably that DS9 was committed to actually exploring the issue of occupation and terrorism without reducing it to 100% clear-cut good guys/bad guys, while (equally importantly) ensuring the victimization of the Bajorans wasn't made light of. I do think, though, that you hit the nail on the head with the biggest flaw in Dekon's virus plot- what would happen if the virus reached Bajor itself? Given that Terok Nor was an orbital mining station, it seems difficult to believe no-one would carry the virus on their cargo/transport ships (they must have known mutation to an airborne variant was within the realm of possibility). Also, again, as you say, using bioweapons against Cardassians could easily have provoked Central Command to simply use them back and wipe out the Bajorans; (
as we who've read "Terok Nor" know (even if this is non-canon), certain Cardassians were all for wiping out the Bajorans following the exhaustion of Bajor's natural resources
. The episode could have explored Surmak and (through Surmak's recollections) Dekon's thinking a little more, to show just how desperate they were, why they overlooked those risks or considered them worthwhile to take. As it is, it's quite a good episode (though I think most DS9 episodes are ;)), but if there had been room to learn more about the Higa resistance movement, and why they went to such extreme lengths compared to, say, the Shakaar, without care for possible consequences even more harmful to Bajor than the occupation as it was, it would have been better. Maybe a sequel was needed?

And yes, "Dekon" is a name that this insectoid life-form trembles upon hearing...;)
 
A little more exploration could've been interesting...but as long as there was not too much sympathy for the terrorists.

Plus...are we sure the virus WASN'T designed to mutate into an airborne variant, so it couldn't be contained?
 
One theme I think I'm starting to see now, between this and "Past Prologue", is that it seems certain people among the Bajorans really became what they hated in the Cardassians. They truly became what they hated.

Knowing what we know now in retrospect, about Crell Moset, this becomes even creepier, what Dekon and Surmak did.
 
New update...just watched "Captive Pursuit."

This one I definitely had fewer bones to pick with than "Babel."

I'd say one thing that stuck out to me was that we got a prime demonstration of how different Sisko is than Picard, as a commander. Picard would've been pissed about the Prime Directive violation and gone off on O'Brien about it, no doubt...but I really cannot picture Picard turning around after O'Brien was gone and smirking about it later. Or imagine him directly aiding and abetting!

Also...I have seen the theory mentioned that the Tosk are related in some manner to the Jem'Hadar, or perhaps were given to the Hunters' species as a "gift" of some sort to reward them for compliance with the Dominion. A lot of behavior does seem very Jem'Hadar, though I'd say they're much more simplistic in nature than the Jem'Hadar.

Given that--I wonder, could part of the Dominion's irritation with the Federation right from the get-go have come from the fact that the first thing the Federation did when anybody came through the wormhole was to shoot the Hunters (and maybe kill them)?

One other funny note. I bet the first intelligence report to the Dominion was VERY wrong on a technological front. I wonder if they thought that the Cardassian technology we see was actually Federation tech--and then got worried when the Feddies came onto the other side and showed their technology was more cutting-edge than that? (I have to say, though, that I gained some respect for Cardassian engineering when O'Brien described the way the conduits were built. That seems like a much TOUGHER sort of construction than some of the flimsy-looking Federation building we've seen and heard about...)
 
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