Wasn't Ostroff the one who killed Enterprise?
TV Ratings (Monday 21st September)
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Wasn't Ostroff the one who killed Enterprise?
Leno got the show from NBC because both Fox and ABC were slinging shows at him. Fox was going to give him a show from 11 to 12pm abc from 1130 to 1230 as the lead in to Kimmel.
NBC was afraid that his audience would follow him there and would bail on Conan so they offered him the prime time show he has now, basically the Tonight show and hour early.
I hope this fails as there is very little on NBC right now I actually watch if at all.
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How is Heroes still so popular?
I mean they took what should have been the easiest concept for a show in the world...and they screwed it up completely. Seriously, how do you screw up super heroes???!!!.
Also, it's pirating stats tell me two things...
1) Type 1 pirate, just seeing how bad the train wreck gets.
2) Type 2 pirate, NO TASTE.
I mean they took what should have been the easiest concept for a show in the world...and they screwed it up completely. Seriously, how do you screw up super heroes???!!!.
Also, it's pirating stats tell me two things...
1) Type 1 pirate, just seeing how bad the train wreck gets.
2) Type 2 pirate, NO TASTE.
I think so. She ran UPN before Les Moonves gave her the top job at the CW. That article isn't very complimentary of her, but the author is correct. She gives SPN no promotion and never did. No one expects her to spend a mint, but a little promotion for one of your top performers might have been wise. When your DVD sales almost double (literally) from a show's 3rd season to its 4th, something has gone right. Ostroff ignored it. I don't know. The CW is down across the board. I still think it's also a matter of losing affiliates. CW was taken off of Cox Cable in Tulsa this summer. You can't get any decent reception on the channel without cable.
I don't know. It's done everything wrong with character development that a writing staff can possibly do.
Ok, I remember her now. She was the one pushing the whole "Urban and Woman" network concept that lead to the jokes that UPN stood for Urban & Pussy network back in the day.
This woman is an idiot who seems to Fail upward. She must have naked photos of Les with a young Filipino boy or something. I mean, just look at her career bio:
Intern at radio and television stations in Miami, FL, mid-1970s; reporter and anchor for WINZ, a Miami radio station; secretary, 20th Century-Fox, early 1980s; associate with Kushner Locke, a production company, mid- to late 1980s, and with Michael Jacobs Productions, early 1990s; senior vice president of creative affairs, FOX Television; executive vice president for programming and production, Lifetime Television, 1996-2002; president of entertainment, United Paramount Network, 2002-05, president, 2005-06; entertainment president, the CW network, 2006—.
Something doesn't add up here as to how she keeps failing up.
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Sounds like Bonnie Fail-Hammer.
Hey, she's gonna take catering to the female 18-34 demo to the grave....well, take CW to its grave. What pisses me off is that, yes, there are plenty of young girls who like stupid crapola like Grey's Anatomy, but there are plenty of young women to whom things other than trashy teen soaps appeal. Ostroff thinks that trashy soaps and modeling shows are all that women like. So much to launch the new Melrose Place, and it was DOA. 90210 is dead in the water, and Gossip Girl is fast approaching. Even America's Next Top Model has fallen to under 3 million. That used to top everything on the network. No, WWE wrestling topped everything. It delivered a guaranteed 4 million plus viewers every Friday night but the network got rid of it (or rather, didn't fight to keep it when the licensing contract approached) because those viewers were low in the 18-34 female demo. Ostroff doesn't want male viewers and doesn't promise them to her advertisers. I guess men don't buy cell phones or clothes or guitar hero games. This strategy will kill her network. It's soooooo deeply in the red I can't believe it's still functioning.
I don't know about that. It seems to be women she doesn't have a really high opinion of. Her shows depict them all as young sluts or wanting to be young sluts. She and the braintrust decided that the way for the new network to make it was to cater to young women since that demo showed some growth in the first 2 years. CW's non female focusing shows that it attempted during its first year failed as well. IMO, focusing on that narrow a niche is the kiss of death for a broadcast network/netlet but I'm not paid to be the brains. I'd have never gotten rid of wrestling, which delivered the highest ratings for the network and was obviously cheaper than a scripted series to air.
Why didn't Leno just stay with the tonight show? I mean from what I've seen of his new show that's basically what it is.
That's not true at all. In Conan's contract it said he would get The Tonight Show by 2010 or NBC would need to pay him 50 million dollars.
So NBC FIRED Jay Leno, Leno then really started to make fun of the NBC idiots. NBC then realized EVERY other network wanted him and they stuck Leno on at 10 to keep him from going to a different network.
This has been explained a few times, even in this topic, how about we READ the topic?
Oh yes, I visit that site all the time. It's refreshing to see the way they actually try to do some intelligent analysis of the numbers rather than just regurgitating them.
And here's a rant that at least attempts to corral all the disparate parts of the profit picture into coherent analysis:
Yes! Yes! Fire Hiro, Tracey and Claire!!!
Cripes, Noah is getting on my nerves too. Nathan, well we know the clock is ticking on him. Paring this show down to the worthwhile characters and plotlines would make it stronger. Hand it over to USA, TNT or AMC where it can be kooky and cultish without worrying about catering to the Jay Leno crowd.Well I'll be cruel and say that pirates skew young (and Heroes skews young in the ratings that are counted) and kids lack the discerning palate of their elders and will watch glossy nonsense with sexy actors.
Used to be, the most popular show in the world was Baywatch. At least Heroes pretends to have some science content.I doubt there are really that many people who will go to the trouble of watching a show just to point and laff. There are too many bad shows you could do that with, and who has all that time?
Yikes. Heroes is up that anal tributary without a suitable means of locomotion at all.
But its fate depends on 1) the DVR numbers (which will be reported starting next Tues and 2) how badly the rest of NBC's lineup falters. Their one new show that had a reasonably good premiere - Community - has now fallen to Heroes' current demo in its second episode. Ouch!
Leno continues its free-fall; even if it's cheap, it does need to have some viewers to survive. If NBC once again ends up with a pack of losers, they'll have to give Heroes another season for want of anything to air.