Dolphin Crew Members as Show Regulars?

[Mirror_Barclay]

There's a reason our ancestors stopped hunting large prides of loins.

I wouldn't hunt a large pride of loins (I suspect they're only found in Xanth). Or lions, either.

 

[Meredith]

Anyway Dolphins are just cognitively different from us, they don't care about being captured and are incapable of holding a grudge. You know killer whales are a species of dolphin and have a matriarchal clan culture similar to human ones. Dolphins also have larger brains than ours as evident with large forehead protrusions. Have you ever read of stories where quiet people are written off as dumb when they have phds? Why?? Because they don't exhibit intelligence which extroverted people can understand. To say dolphins aren't natures hidden most intelligent species on earth is disingenuous.

Dolphins are racists as evidenced by their continual genocide of Porpoises.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZY6nYEq5i4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2N5ttFBN8

Warning!!! Dolphin Penises shown in video!!!

Maybe that makes them just as smart a humans.

 

[T'Girl]

I don't know what the point is that you're trying to make here.

--- The point I'm making is that dolphins are dumb as rocks and for that reason can't be crew members on a starship. And as far as no dolphin meat (mixed with fish) making it's way into cans on those factory ships, I guess I misunderstood that one hour long PBS special.

 

[MaximRecoil]

I don't know what the point is that you're trying to make here.

--- The point I'm making is that dolphins are dumb as rocks and for that reason can't be crew members on a starship.

Agreed.

And as far as no dolphin meat (mixed with fish) making it's way into cans on those factory ships, I guess I misunderstood that one hour long PBS special.

It is a common misconception.

 

[Kaziarl]

I don't know what the point is that you're trying to make here.

--- The point I'm making is that dolphins are dumb as rocks and for that reason can't be crew members on a starship.

Agreed.

And as far as no dolphin meat (mixed with fish) making it's way into cans on those factory ships, I guess I misunderstood that one hour long PBS special.

It is a common misconception.

I think the reference to a misunderstood PBS special is likely a way of saying there was a PBS special that stated dolphin meat had occasionally made it into cans.

But I'm sure their research pales in comparison to yours.

 

[MaximRecoil]

I think the reference to a misunderstood PBS special is likely a way of saying there was a PBS special that stated dolphin meat had occasionally made it into cans.

But I'm sure their research pales in comparison to yours.

Before you have any justification for your snide comment, you must first establish that the PBS special in question actually did flat out make the claim that dolphin meat was finding its way into tuna cans. Furthermore, if you manage to do that, you must then establish that they were actually correct.

BTW, someone opening a can of tuna and finding some red mammal meat in there that tastes like beef or venison, would go over like a fart in church. It is not exactly something a food company could get away with doing.

 

[Kaziarl]

I think the reference to a misunderstood PBS special is likely a way of saying there was a PBS special that stated dolphin meat had occasionally made it into cans.

But I'm sure their research pales in comparison to yours.

Before you have any justification for your snide comment, you must first establish that the PBS special in question actually did flat out make the claim that dolphin meat was finding its way into tuna cans. Furthermore, if you manage to do that, you must then establish that they were actually correct.

BTW, someone opening a can of tuna and finding some red mammal meat in there that tastes like beef or venison, would go over like a fart in church. It is not exactly something a food company could get away with doing.

You would actually be surprised how often that sort of thing happens. While I didn't work in the Tuna industry, I did work in the food canning industry. We did fruits and vegetables, where things like pieces of snake, plastic, rats, dirt, sticks would find their way into the cans. And that's with todays "Cleaner" standards. 20 years ago would have been a different story entirely.

To say it never happened unless you have experience, or you yourself have done the research when others give examples of the opposite is idiotic.

To suggest it doesn't happen, and why you feel it doesn't happen is continuing the discussion.

 

[QuasarVM]

I think they should have had the descendants of George and Gracie serve as bridge crew members...of course the bridge would have to be a double-decker with big pool on the bottom level...

Then they could've done a Borg episode where they get assimilated.

That would've been cool.

 

[MaximRecoil]

You would actually be surprised how often that sort of thing happens. While I didn't work in the Tuna industry, I did work in the food canning industry. We did fruits and vegetables, where things like pieces of snake, plastic, rats, dirt, sticks would find their way into the cans. And that's with todays "Cleaner" standards. 20 years ago would have been a different story entirely.

To say it never happened unless you have experience, or you yourself have done the research when others give examples of the opposite is idiotic.

To suggest it doesn't happen, and why you feel it doesn't happen is continuing the discussion.

You're proceeding from a false premise. Dolphin meat is no more likely to end up in a can of tuna than polar bear or moose meat is. The fishing boats didn't send dolphins to the tuna factory, they sent tuna to the tuna factory. What do you think, the tuna factory would just accept anything when they have a deal for tuna?

"Yeah, I know you ordered tuna, but here's some carp and seals. Good enough?"

The dolphins are usually discarded, or sometimes sold as meat if they have a buyer, but there was never a "try to pass dolphin meat off as tuna" conspiracy among the fishermen and canned tuna manufacturers.

Obviously no one can say that something has never happened; as something like that is inherently unprovable; but the issue that brought about "dolphin safe tuna" was not dolphin meat ending up in tuna cans (because that has never been publicly known to happen). The issue was that the tuna fishing methods were resulting in dead dolphins (dead dolphins at sea does not in any way imply a conspiracy to pass them off as tuna).

As for your "when others give examples of the opposite" claim; no one has yet given a credible example of dolphin meat showing up in tuna cans.

If I said that Maine Black Bear meat has never shown up in tuna cans, would you argue with that too, based on the fact that it can't be proven?

Edit: And just to further clear this up:

Q: Does non dolphin-safe canned tuna contain dolphin meat?

A: No. Canned tuna has never contained dolphin/mammal by-products. Non dolphin-safe canned tuna is a fishery product that has not been certified as meeting the U.S. definition of dolphin-safe.

http://dolphinsafe.gov/faq.htm

Now Kaziarl, go argue with the U.S. Dept. of Commerce. As you can see, they used the word "never" too, in spite of your anecdotes from your canned food industry worker days.

 

[Kaziarl]

You would actually be surprised how often that sort of thing happens. While I didn't work in the Tuna industry, I did work in the food canning industry. We did fruits and vegetables, where things like pieces of snake, plastic, rats, dirt, sticks would find their way into the cans. And that's with todays "Cleaner" standards. 20 years ago would have been a different story entirely.

To say it never happened unless you have experience, or you yourself have done the research when others give examples of the opposite is idiotic.

To suggest it doesn't happen, and why you feel it doesn't happen is continuing the discussion.

You're proceeding from a false premise. Dolphin meat is no more likely to end up in a can of tuna than polar bear or moose meat is. The fishing boats didn't send dolphins to the tuna factory, they sent tuna to the tuna factory. What do you think, the tuna factory would just accept anything when they have a deal for tuna?

"Yeah, I know you ordered tuna, but here's some carp and seals. Good enough?"

The dolphins are usually discarded, or sometimes sold as meat if they have a buyer, but there was never a "try to pass dolphin meat off as tuna" conspiracy among the fishermen and canned tuna manufacturers.

Obviously no one can say that something has never happened; as something like that is inherently unprovable; but the issue that brought about "dolphin safe tuna" was not dolphin meat ending up in tuna cans (because that has never been publicly known to happen). The issue was that the tuna fishing methods were resulting in dead dolphins (dead dolphins at sea does not in any way imply a conspiracy to pass them off as tuna).

As for your "when others give examples of the opposite" claim; no one has yet given a credible example of dolphin meat showing up in tuna cans.

If I said that Maine Black Bear meat has never shown up in tuna cans, would you argue with that too, based on the fact that it can't be proven?

Edit: And just to further clear this up:

Q: Does non dolphin-safe canned tuna contain dolphin meat?

A: No. Canned tuna has never contained dolphin/mammal by-products. Non dolphin-safe canned tuna is a fishery product that has not been certified as meeting the U.S. definition of dolphin-safe.

http://dolphinsafe.gov/faq.htm

Now Kaziarl, go argue with the U.S. Dept. of Commerce. As you can see, they used the word "never" too, in spite of your anecdotes from your canned food industry worker days.

I'm not going to argue with the DoC, because they are credible. But this is the first time I've seen you post anything more then your personal opinion where as others have mentioned things they've either seen or experienced, and you turn around and flatly say they are wrong. Continue to use credible examples, and my guess would be people wouldn't use their own experiences to try to continue the discussion since none of that apparently matters to you anyway.

Speaking of that, the point I was trying to illustrate us that foreign material does make it into cans. It doesn't matter how careful you are, its going to happen. And claiming that a black bear getting into a tuna can is the same as a dolphin getting into one is idiotic at best, and doesn't disprove the possibility. Again, credible sources like the one you have finally decided to provide do.

 

[MaximRecoil]

And claiming that a black bear getting into a tuna can is the same as a dolphin getting into one is idiotic at best, and doesn't disprove the possibility.

Is that a joke? First, I didn't claim "that a black bear getting into a tuna can is the same as a dolphin getting into one". I said:

"If I said that Maine Black Bear meat has never shown up in tuna cans, would you argue with that too, based on the fact that it can't be proven?"

If you take that to mean "that a black bear getting into a tuna can is the same as a dolphin getting into one", then you have reading comprehension issues.

The point of my question was to illustrate that claiming that something is technically possible and potentially could have happened somewhere, at some time; makes for a ridiculous argument when discussing highly unlikely events that have never been known to happen.

Furthermore, even if an isolated instance could be established, it wouldn't change anything about the gist of my argument; which was, "dolphin safe" tuna was never about dolphin meat ending up in tuna cans (because that never has been known to happen, thus, has never been something that any informed person has tried to put an end to [you can't put an end to things which don't happen]); which renders your already ridiculous arguments even more ridiculous (because — as I said — it wouldn't affect the gist of my argument either way).

The idea that dolphin meat was finding its way into tuna cans and the "dolphin safe" regulations were enacted to prevent that, was (and apparently, still is) simply a common misconception.

 

[Kaziarl]

This is going nowhere. I have conceded the fact that Dolphin Safe doesn't have anything to do dolphin meat getting into cans, as illustrated by the link you provided, yet you continue to argue about it. The only thing I was trying to say in my last post is that more links like that might be useful in the future. Yes, I, like 99% of the population, draw conclusions from my own experience and the information I have seen. No, its not completely the same experience, another fact that I fully admited. Yet up until that link, did you offer anything other then what could only be assumed your own opinion? No. That's the part I was trying to get at.

In other words, post more links of equal value, and perhaps this will turn back into a conversation rather then the argument you've made it. I have no problem with being proven wrong with facts, but opinions are open for debate.

 

[NIUPonyBoy]

A polar bear/dolphin meat sandwich sounds good for lunch. yummmy.