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Defying Gravity: "Fear" 9/6 - Grading & Discussion

Grading

  • Excellent

    Votes: 6 26.1%
  • Above average

    Votes: 9 39.1%
  • Average

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • Below average

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • Poor

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    23
They still need to pick up the pace..

This show is boring, now. I was giving it a chance, thought it had potential, but we're like seven episodes in (I've only seen six) and it still feels like episode one. How does something like Surface get cancelled, but this tired drawl keeps going?

And I'm not talking "24" pace where Donner finds out the doctor is a traitor and kills him 10 minutes into the show, only to find out the doc was working for a bigger bad, so they travel from Venus to Mars in 10 minutes to uncover the truth about Beta only to find out Beta is misdirection for the real terrorist plot.

Wow, I'm excited already!:drool:
 
How does something like Surface get cancelled, but this tired drawl keeps going?

That's an odd comparison, given that Surface ran for 15 episodes while this series is only on its 7th episode and doesn't seem to be on ABC's schedule beyond its 8th.
 
This episode didn't make it onto the DVR for some reason, wonder if my local ABC station jumped ship early...
 
I'm trying to think of something good to say but I've got nothing.

Wass and Nadia are in a race to see who can be the most destructive to crew morale (Nadia loses this round since her bitchiness was five years in the past) and Jen and Zoe are completely unstable and even seem to make each other worse.

We even get a nice little speech about astronauts "toughing" it out after which point almost the entire crew loses their shit over hallucinations they know aren't real. Maybe it's just me but putting astronauts in long duration missions who respond to fear by completely locking up seems like a really bad idea.

They also flip-flopped on Mars again. First they had to abandon their crewmates, then it was Gross panicking (even though it was Donner who launched), and now we're back to "it had to be done because they never would have made it". And two of those come from Mrs. Shaw, who apparently had seen all the data tapes five years ago that proved they never would have made it before she saw the launch video in the last episode which proved they could have.

We'll see if Commander Shaw finally comes clean on Beta. No matter what mission control says there's no way he can ignore it. If he doesn't tell the crew now that they're all being very badly effected by it (except Wass and Jen, apparently) there's no way he'll ever have their trust again.
 
My first Excellent for the series. It just keeps getting more and more interesting. It's one of the best examples of what I consider to be a true serial that I've seen on US TV for quite awhile. We get a bit more of the puzzle revealed each episode.

I also agree the guy with the beard was definitely Florentine Lahme in drag. The sex change scenario has come to mind - that she used to be a guy - though I don't know if that would work. She's simply too oversexed to have gotten away with that (then again, in a future where you can grow back a thumb in a month, presumably the technology of gender reassignment probably has improved, too.)

Another possibility is a twin, or perhaps a future offspring. I'm curious who those kids spying on Eve are, too.

I like the fact the writers let the commercial fail -- it could add some interesting dynamics later if, say, Zoe suddenly faces finding herself redundant for the next 5 years.

Anyway, good show. Hope it continues, as right now it's the only show that qualifies as "must see TV" for me. The good news is I'm in Canada, so it doesn't matter what ABC does, as either CTV or Space will show the full season (or it'll go onto DVD), and if the show is a hit overseas, it'll continue (just like no one cares about the ratings for Merlin on NBC).

Alex

PS. I get the feeling ABC never planned to air the whole season anyway. According to several blogs I just checked, ABC has NEVER scheduled to the final 5 episodes. Even the week the first episode aired, apparently they only had 8 scheduled. And with the regular fall season starting in a couple weeks you'd think they'd have either started the show earlier or did what NBC did with Merlin and double up a bunch of episodes. So does that mean maybe ABC is hoping to pull a Pushing Daisies and get the remaining episodes on at some later date as filler or what, I don't know. But if this is the scenario that plays out, I really wish they'd start bypassing networks altogether and just put these shows straight on DVD so the people who give a damn can watch them and those who basically wanted either a Star Trek clone or a Firefly clone or whatever could go and watch whatever turned their crank. The reaction to this show by those who no longer have the patience to follow arcs have pretty much convinced me that once Lost and 24 are done we'll be going back to the old "every episode is a standalone with a big reset button" way things were back in the 70s...
 
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I agree with Christopher on time lag,and light speed issues.

So is there a real life space drive that can, travel real slow in order take 3years out,and 3 years back round trip?
I'm not science inept just trying to understand how the writing staff of this show is not relying on science advisers in order to prove a plot device to move an episode in a timely fashion.

That's my two cents

Signed

Buck Rogers
 
Anyway, good show. Hope it continues, as right now it's the only show that qualifies as "must see TV" for me. The good news is I'm in Canada, so it doesn't matter what ABC does, as either CTV or Space will show the full season (or it'll go onto DVD), and if the show is a hit overseas, it'll continue (just like no one cares about the ratings for Merlin on NBC).

Where else has it been showing and how is it doing, I wonder...
 
So is there a real life space drive that can, travel real slow in order take 3years out,and 3 years back round trip?

Huh? A grand tour of the Solar System in only 6 years is anything but "real slow." By my estimate, it would require something at least 10 times faster than the fastest spaceship ever launched by human beings to date -- more like 20 times faster if it's 3 years out and 3 years back. The Solar System is a huge, huge place, and a mostly empty one.

Nothing we have today could drive a large manned vessel at those speeds, but there are numerous theoretical drives that could attain higher specific impulse and/or thrust than we have today.

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3c2.html
 
I gave it an average. Again, not belittling the show, it's just the episode was up there with what I've come to expect. Nothing knocking my socks off but nothing making me turn it off, either.

I really thought we were going to get a reveal about Beta. With all the crew hallucinating, and they all know each other is hallucinating, then this was a good time in the story for the big reveal. Too bad it didn't happen. I don't watch Lost so I have no frame of reference really to this dragging the mystery out but it does seem a bit of a cliche thing to do.

I thought it was interesting that the flashbacks are almost EXACTLY (if not exactly) 5 years in the past. Saying something happened "5 years ago" still leaves a lot of wiggle room when it comes down to the particular month. However, it was Halloween in both the present and the past.

I do hope the flashbacks come to an end. At some point I would think they have to. We will end up seeing every event from the training. Of course 5 years offers a lot of opportunities for flashbacks.

Yes, I thought the $10 billion was steep but you do have to account for inflation. We really don't know what kind of governmental system is in place in 2052, nor what kind of financial system exists. We're living an economic crisis now and that affects monetary values. We had a previous crisis in 1987 so that's 2 meltdowns in 22 years. With this series set 42 years in our future, there is room for another major crisis or two.

Plus, as stated, $10 billion for WORLDWIDE broadcasting. We're talking more than an ad on the Super Bowl.

I don't get any previews for the next week. They show a Grey's Anatomy preview then my DVR ends the recording.

They also flip-flopped on Mars again. First they had to abandon their crewmates, then it was Gross panicking (even though it was Donner who launched), and now we're back to "it had to be done because they never would have made it". And two of those come from Mrs. Shaw, who apparently had seen all the data tapes five years ago that proved they never would have made it before she saw the launch video in the last episode which proved they could have.

I think you're missing the point. To me they've never flip flopped on the Mars story. It's all layers within layers.

1. What Happened - Goss panicked (or something) and commanded Donner and Shaw to launch and abandon their comrads.

2. The Cover Up - We can't tell the people back home the truth. We need a convenient cover story.
2a. - Maybe Goss is even lying to himself about this. Maybe he genuinely believes they wouldn't have made it. I don't know. More of the reason why he made this decision needs to be revealed.

3. The Lie - Future Mrs. Shaw looked Ted in the eye and lied without blinking. She's helping with the cover-up for some reason.
3a. - So the astronauts on scene (Donner and Shaw) don't even know the Truth. Perhaps the reason they are plagued is their subconscious is telling them they could have waited. Maybe part of their brain does know it's a lie.
3b. - Why did Eve lie to Ted? Is she using her knowledge of the truth for her own power and position?

Question - Where did Beta come from? Did they find Beta on Mars? If so, how did they get it back without Donner and Shaw knowing anything about it? Did Beta influence the decision to launch and abandon the two other astronauts on Mars? Are the two other astronauts really dead or are they still alive and living with whatever culture/civilization/lifeform(s) created Beta?
 
I thought the two astronauts left on Mars could actually be Beta, the 'Beta-Stage' of humanities evolution - and that there's something even more disturbing lurking round the corner once that's revealed, and that would be whatever caused them to evolve, presumably to survive.

And is Beta thus trying to push the Antares crew (and a few of the ground team) towards this evolution.
 
^ Hmmm... interesting suspicion.

Questions I have regarding Beta (and I'm sure we all have these):
1. What is Beta?
2. Where did Beta come from?
3. Why is Beta being taken on the mission?
4. Will something happen with Beta once they reach Mars?
 
Thus why I'm speculating that Beta is an evolved level of humanity - we would be the Alpha state, Beta represents the Beta state.

Which brings up the possibility. Does Eve even know what Beta is?
 
The light-speed lag is no problem...because they spray the radio antenna with magnetic nanoparticles!!!

But otherwise...I'd say best episode so far - I just could have done without the lame Star Trek rip-off/parody (costumes)...why not just go as *Star Trek* characters!?
 
I was hoping we were going to be getting ST without saying it's ST with those costumes, but when Jen came out with the same alien make-up it threw doubt into that.

Maybe they don't dress up as ST characters because it's forty years into the future and there's a new popular sci-fi show with those characters? In the Halloween party, by the by, where was Rollie? Was he one of the painted frat-boys (along with AJ and Wass).
 
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