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Let's talk about this DS9 5-year time jump for a second.

Thrawn

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I know there are a lot of other threads about DS9 right now, but I want this focus to be a bit different. Ignore DS9 "catching up", ignore the Typhon Pact, and just think about the storylines running right now. I contend that this is a perfect time to do a huge jump forwards, because there are almost no short-term plots developed at the moment, but a ton of long-term ones.

Let's think about this.

1) Cardassia. We know about Cardassia from Destiny anyway. We know about the cultural movements so far from Never-Ending Sacrifice. There's nothing that could happen between Soul Key and Rough Beasts that would be a game-changer. We know this story already.

2) Trill. Trill is totally on hold until the symbionts regenerate, which we've been told will take years.

3) Andor/Shar. He said he'd be back "someday". The Soul Key is only a couple months after that. He'd clearly be coming back some years in the future. Plus, given the events of Destiny, we now have a beautiful story to be told about his lost time, potentially.

4) The Ascendants. Iliana just showed up, and they just started "gathering". There is no reason to assume that this would imply any kind of action on their part in the short-term; they're just getting organized! Foreshadowing has been done in many of the other novels for events far more in the future than 5 years, and I find an attack or aggressive action more plausible after some years than after some weeks.

5) The mirror universe. It's now off on its own anyway; doesn't need to be even mentioned.

6) Ezri. Ezri's arc, from Avatar > Soul Key, was perfect - she switched to command, slowly gained confidence, ended up commanding the Defiant, and realized she needed to leave. Her arc is done. We don't need a book just after the Soul Key with her leaving the station; we have the whole story already. And her relationship with Bashir is ended.

7) Vaughn. He's found his purpose, he's committed to being a Starfleet officer. He's decided to ignore Sisko. He's where he wants to be. End of his first arc, also.

8) Bajor / the Federation. Bajor has joined, the growing pains have been lived through. Nothing important need happen in the short term, unlike at the end of Unity, where there were several threads that needed to be resolved immediately.

9) Taran'atar. He's finally realized that he's been living under others' control, and is off to the Gamma Quadrant on what seems like a long journey of self-fulfillment. This would of course take a long time; we probably wouldn't hear from him for a few books anyway, just like Jake.

10) Sisko. He's settled into family life, as has Jake. He's been basically barred by Vaughn from interfering in Starfleet affairs. He's on vacation. There are things he could be doing in the short term, but nothing that must be resolved immediately.

11) The Dominion. They've disbanded. There's nothing happening there for a while, either. This may be the only thing on the list with the potential for a story right now explaining what's going on, but even that would have to be an encounter with one Founder, because they're all separate. I can totally see this being a more interesting development if we wait a while and see what the Quadrant is like with the Link dispersed, and everyone knowing about it.

So, all 11 of what I feel are the relaunch's major, ongoing storylines at this point are in a position where nothing is going to happen on any of them in the short term. 5 years may be a bit of a stretch, but if the next book had occurred even within a year of Soul Key, I would think they'd have had to ignore all of them, or stretch the timing in the other direction anyway. At WORST, it's completely plausible to extend the further developments in these storylines by 5 years, even if you don't agree it's better.

And I, personally, am much more interested in what happens after a few years in any of these stories than I am interested in what happens tomorrow.

Really, is there any story right now that is demanding, or even wanting, for any sort of short-term resolution?
 
A very convincing argument, Thrawn. :) I think I agree, it will be more rewarding to return to these story threads at a point some years distant, so actual and significant development can have occurred. At the moment, as you say, the immediate issues have been resolved (save Odo and Laas, whose story between 2377 and 2382 is one I definitely want to see in full). I also agree it will be more realistic and satisfying to have any big events involving the Ascendants, etc, taking place years after "The Soul Key" rather than weeks (they've still got the Dominion or what's left of it to plow through, for one thing). Thank you for this post. It serves as a very convincing defense of the decision to jump forward :techman:

It will be interesting to see what the political/social/philosophical dynamic is on Bajor, Cardassia, Andor, etc, after they've had a few years to let the impact of the revelations they've been through sink in. If we want to see genuine and large-scale paradigm shifts or social change (and I do! :)), we'll need a timescale of years.
 
I agree as well. But I do like the idea of an anthology to fill in the 5 year gap. Some of these storylines could be touched on in that anthology, along with some stand alone stories. And much of this period is pretty undeveloped in all of Trek lit anyway.
 
A big jump in time worked well in the "New Frontiers" series, at any rate!

I'd personally love to see Shar again...
 
The jump did work well with New Frontier - which is why I'm willing to give the jump a chance.
 
I honestly didn't think about it in depth much before, but Thrawn does bring up some really good points. But TBH it doesn't really change my opinion much, I've been in a calm wait and see mode since it was first announced.
 
Great post, Thrawn!

It actually made me re-think some of the points regarding the time-jump.

Maybe the Ascendants' arc can be completed in a seperate mini series folowing Typhon Pact.

Star Trek: Ascension, anyone?:techman:
 
Damn you and your irrefutable logic, Thrawn! And here I was all set hating the five-year jump. :p

Seriously, you raised a lot of interesting points, and although I'm still in the process of reading The Soul Key, I can see it being conclusive to a point. The Ascendants storyline hasn't really taken off, merely foreshadowed here and there, although I have to say that based on Kira's dream in Warpath, I thought they would be coming sooner or later. But then I suppose The Prophets move in mysterious ways.

I didn't like the three-year jump for New Frontier at first either but then I ended up being fine with it largely because, at the end of the day, we still got great stories (at least, I thought so). That being said, the promise to fill in those gaps haven't really happened (I'm still damn curious about what made Mac and Jellico so close now).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm afraid we won't get those gaps filled in, at least any time soon. Hell, in regards to New Frontier, I'm still waiting for some kind of follow up to the No Limits story "Redemption," but it seems all but forgotten now. Oh, well. It doesn't really matter as long as I still get my stories about my two favorite crews (sorry, I keep butting New Frontier in).

Okay, that's enough rambling. For now.
 
Great job, sounds so good to me too. I honestly think an anthology would be best too. Maybe around DS9's 20th anniversary, whenever that is. I also think going back to Odo and Laas exploring in the Gamma Quadrant in the aftermath of the Dominion's own destruction would be great too.
 
If the next book has a compelling story, then fine though it's not my preference to have a time jump. Unlike previous books which have been pre-orders I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude towards the next one.
 
I guess I'm just not a big fan of the story device, particularly in novel form. I wasn't a big fan of the one year jump in BSG. It irritated me. However, a television series produces many episodes in each season so that there was time to flashback and explore the events that transpired during that one year gap.

Novels work much differently. We might be fortunate enough to get one (two, at most) DS9-R novels a year. If the new editor taking over the series decides to follow through with Margaret Clark's plans, then the DS9 story will jump ahead FIVE years. Not one. Not two. FIVE. That's a ridiculously long gap. And how long would it take to fill-in the gaps? How many years will the fans have to wait to have the missing pieces of the story filled-in? And, consequently, how does one balance writing novels pushing the story forward with writing stories to help fill in the missing time? I feel like this jump in time will only serve to further complicate things.

If DS9 were a TV show again, and they were pulling a stunt like this, then at least we'd know that the writers could spend time showing us flashbacks as well as stories in the present. By the end of the season, the audience would have a decent sense of what happened. But since these novels are released at a snail's pace, I feel like it'll be another decade before they ever get around to the ascendants storyline.

I think their best option would be to do a nice duology that works kinda like Full Circle, moving the story forward and giving us hints about the ascendants. Lay some groundwork. Then, make the leap into the post-Destiny timeframe, deal with the Typhon Pact (which, IMO, DS9 doesn't even need to be involved with), and then finally deal with the ascendants.

Just my two cents.
 
I was wary of the idea of the jump at first, but given a bit of time, I'm actually coming around to it - I'm all for giving the characters some time to breathe, and in the DS9 world, they've gone from Dominion War to Gateways crisis to the parasites to the MU stuff with little chance to do that. So I can get behind the idea of just letting them have a relatively calm five year span before rejoining the current timeframe.

Likewise, it's a nice way to allow the Ascendants story to move closer to being told soon without plunging DS9 into another round of war during the time frame that's basically being told 'stay tidy, cause we've already got things coming along.'

About my only current complaint is that little Taran'atar teaser at the ending of Soul Key will probably not be getting a follow-up anytime soon. Ah, well. Maybe for DS9's 20th, we'll get an anthology set between Soul Key and Rough Beasts...
 
Novels work much differently. We might be fortunate enough to get one (two, at most) DS9-R novels a year. If the new editor taking over the series decides to follow through with Margaret Clark's plans, then the DS9 story will jump ahead FIVE years. Not one. Not two. FIVE. That's a ridiculously long gap. And how long would it take to fill-in the gaps? How many years will the fans have to wait to have the missing pieces of the story filled-in?

I think Thrawn made a good case that those five years don't necessarily have to be "filled in" that much in order for the narrative to be reasonably complete. Sometimes you don't need to follow a cast of characters on a constant basis. Look at the huge gaps between the movies -- 3 years between TAS and TMP, 12 years between TMP and TWOK, 6 to 8 years between TFF and TUC, 2 years between GEN and FC, 2 years between FC and INS, 4 years between INS and NEM. Some of those gaps have been filled in more than others, but you could still follow the characters' paths through life fairly well without needing an exhaustive accounting of every adventure they had in the gaps.

After all, it's not like these are real people having real adventures that we're just writing down. It's not like the authors will "miss" anything really important because they weren't paying attention when it happened. If the plan is to jump forward 5 years, then the personal and political arcs of the saga will be adjusted accordingly so that nothing really essential is skipped over. Realistically, it seems unlikely that Riker and Troi would've waited four years to get married after their romance heated up again in INS. But that was the interval between movies, so the characters' personal journey was delayed to fit the pace of the storytelling.

On the other hand, when TUC begins, we discover we "missed" Sulu's promotion to captain 3 years earlier; but we don't actually need to see his promotion in order to get a fairly complete story. There's no mystery to how or why a veteran, decorated command-track officer who's held commander rank for many years would get promoted to captain. Sure, it's a story that's interesting to tell in a comic or a novel, but it's not one we'd be lost without seeing.

So it's just common sense that anything really major in the DS9 saga either won't happen until after the 5-year gap or will be straightforward enough that picking up on it after the fact will be sufficient. We won't "miss" anything due to the jump, because the storyline can be shaped to accommodate the jump.
 
But since these novels are released at a snail's pace, I feel like it'll be another decade before they ever get around to the ascendants storyline.
I don't understand way so many people are convinced that just because the Typhon Pact story will be happening means we will have to wait ages for the Ascendants arc. There is no reason to believe that the TP will take up more than one DS9 book, and even if it does that doesn't mean the Ascendants are being forgotten. They could still treat them as they have been up to this point, a side story that is slowly building up to something bigger in the future. Besides, like Thrawn said in his thread, we have no reason to belive that the Ascendants have to be coming now, it could be years before they're strong enough to do anything.
 
I for one am interested to see how the DS9 crew is involved in the Typhon Pact storyline. I forget all the TP members but don't some of them have connections to DS9?
 
I'm interested to meet the new crewmembers of DS9 that we must be getting with the departure of Dax and the transferring out of several minor-characters.
 
The DS9 novel of the series will feature the Imperial Romulan State, the Romulan Star Empire, and the Tzenkethi Coalition according to Memory Alpha.

The Aventine story will focus on the Breen.
 
I for one am glad that the DS9 crew will have a presence in the Typhon Pact storyline. People were upset that they only had Ezri reprsenting them in the Destiny trilogy. I was one of them ;). I'm sure in the long run that the Ascendants won't be forgotten. It's been hinted at for years...
 
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