They probably assumed that the inertial dampening systems would keep them in place from falling or some technobabbly explanation.
Ethics: One of the More Complicated Eps.
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They probably assumed that the inertial dampening systems would keep them in place from falling or some technobabbly explanation.
Yeah, but it was later found those crates were full of self-sealing stem bolts. Just picking up a box of those is a chore.
A good Ep, I fairly recently picked it at random also. Also with the inclusion of Alexander (and I really liked that kid as Alexander) it becomes a really good exploration, as well as character development with Worf asking Troi to take care of Alexander should he die. Good stuff.
Basically a Crusher-Worf episode. A good example of the kind of high quality that made TNG the success it was.
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Oh, I buy it. Worf got owned by every other guest star in seasons 1-3, so why not inanimate objects.
Dramatically, it might have been more interesting if the injury had come from a fight.
My problem with this episode is that the ending felt cheap --- we are led to believe that Worf has died, and then his "backup redundant organs" or whatever result in him living.
Don't get me wrong...I never wanted him to die...I just thought it was really cheap the way they made you believe he was dead (especially the emotional scene with Alexander) and then...SURPRISE...he's alive!!! (I know similar things have happened throughout Trek history...but it just seemed way too manipulative here.)
Don't get me wrong...I never wanted him to die...I just thought it was really cheap the way they made you believe he was dead (especially the emotional scene with Alexander) and then...SURPRISE...he's alive!!! (I know similar things have happened throughout Trek history...but it just seemed way too manipulative here.)
EXACTLY how i felt about this one. Couldnt have said it better myself! (thats for sure).
But they're safe most of the time, just like all those C4-lined instrument panels. As long as you're not wearing red and in a command position, you're safe.
Ah yes, the classic Worf Effect.
To be fair, Worf didn't have the luxury of being so selfish... he DID have Alexander, who had been brought up with human values (mostly), and probably would not have adjusted well to daddy doing himself in.
Correct. It's the reason he decides to break with tradition, and grasp at the straws Dr. Russel gave him. One thing, though -- her procedure wasn't a total success because it depended on the redundant Klingon organs Worf possesses. So it might not work with all humanoids. I also wonder if the redundancies were native to Klingon physiology or were byproducts of the augment experiment. -- RR
I think this is an interesting point. I see it differently. Riker pointed out to Worf that if he wanted to take his own life then the proper way to do it was by his son's hand. I think that Riker's motives for researching the ritual and bringing the proper procedure to Worf's attention were motivated by a desire not to have Worf kill himself. However, I don't see that as him not respecting Worf's culture or beliefs. I see that as him having a human reaction to being asked to help a friend committ suicide. I think that's a challenging thing to ask anyone, whether you're an enlightened 24th century starfleet officer or no. Riker was having a human reaction. I think if Riker had been disrespecting Worf's beliefs he would not have pointed out that Alexander should help. That's my take on it anyway.
I think this is an interesting point. I see it differently. Riker pointed out to Worf that if he wanted to take his own life then the proper way to do it was by his son's hand. I think that Riker's motives for researching the ritual and bringing the proper procedure to Worf's attention were motivated by a desire not to have Worf kill himself. However, I don't see that as him not respecting Worf's culture or beliefs. I see that as him having a human reaction to being asked to help a friend committ suicide. I think that's a challenging thing to ask anyone, whether you're an enlightened 24th century starfleet officer or no. Riker was having a human reaction. I think if Riker had been disrespecting Worf's beliefs he would not have pointed out that Alexander should help. That's my take on it anyway.
Yeah... Riker didn't want to do it, and he found a way out... but I think also that Riker didn't want to hurt another friend, after how he had to "fight" against the case for Data's rights... you could tell that Riker's actions in the episode kind of hurt him... maybe he just didn't want to put himself in a position to hurt one of his friends again.
I think this is an interesting point. I see it differently. Riker pointed out to Worf that if he wanted to take his own life then the proper way to do it was by his son's hand. I think that Riker's motives for researching the ritual and bringing the proper procedure to Worf's attention were motivated by a desire not to have Worf kill himself. However, I don't see that as him not respecting Worf's culture or beliefs. I see that as him having a human reaction to being asked to help a friend committ suicide. I think that's a challenging thing to ask anyone, whether you're an enlightened 24th century starfleet officer or no. Riker was having a human reaction. I think if Riker had been disrespecting Worf's beliefs he would not have pointed out that Alexander should help. That's my take on it anyway.
After rewatching the episode, I believe you are correct sir. Riker did say he would help if it was up to him and he did what any friend would do in that situation which was to give Worf a piece of his mind about the whole affair.. which is the least thing Riker was entitled to do, given the nature of the request. And Riker made an excellent point about revealing Worf's almost cowardly avoidance(in Klingon terms) of asking his son to perform the ritual.
I still think Beverly's attitude was totally unbecoming of a doctor and Starfleet officer concerning Worf's wishes and beliefs. She threatened to have him restrained for crying out loud!
If I were in Picard's place and Crusher actually carried out that action, I would've had her relieved of duty and court martialed at the nearest starbase for gross violation of the rights of a sentient being, not to mention a violation of the prime directive. An alien member of starfleet has the right to practice their own cultural beliefs free from Federation interference so long as it doesn't endanger others or conflict with their duty to starfleet.
I think this is an interesting point. I see it differently. Riker pointed out to Worf that if he wanted to take his own life then the proper way to do it was by his son's hand. I think that Riker's motives for researching the ritual and bringing the proper procedure to Worf's attention were motivated by a desire not to have Worf kill himself. However, I don't see that as him not respecting Worf's culture or beliefs. I see that as him having a human reaction to being asked to help a friend committ suicide. I think that's a challenging thing to ask anyone, whether you're an enlightened 24th century starfleet officer or no. Riker was having a human reaction. I think if Riker had been disrespecting Worf's beliefs he would not have pointed out that Alexander should help. That's my take on it anyway.
After rewatching the episode, I believe you are correct sir. Riker did say he would help if it was up to him and he did what any friend would do in that situation which was to give Worf a piece of his mind about the whole affair.. which is the least thing Riker was entitled to do, given the nature of the request. And Riker made an excellent point about revealing Worf's almost cowardly avoidance(in Klingon terms) of asking his son to perform the ritual.
I still think Beverly's attitude was totally unbecoming of a doctor and Starfleet officer concerning Worf's wishes and beliefs. She threatened to have him restrained for crying out loud!
If I were in Picard's place and Crusher actually carried out that action, I would've had her relieved of duty and court martialed at the nearest starbase for gross violation of the rights of a sentient being, not to mention a violation of the prime directive. An alien member of starfleet has the right to practice their own cultural beliefs free from Federation interference so long as it doesn't endanger others or conflict with their duty to starfleet.
You gotta remember, though, that Starfleet Doctors still honor the "do no harm" tenet. If Crusher allowed Worf to basically commit suicide, she would be ignoring her duty as a doctor, and her oath.
I loved this ep and Crusher's reaction is understandable as a Doctor for one and a friend of the patient. She could not accept sucide as a way out.
OMG I just watched the tape and feel sorry for Worf, the poor guy got beat constantly and by Troi at least twice.
OMG I just watched the tape and feel sorry for Worf, the poor guy got beat constantly and by Troi at least twice.
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