Now you've got me wondering just how long it takes to get Mc Coy into- and out of- that uniform.
Earth to Vulcan in 30 minutes - a possible solution?
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- Chekov wouldn't announce the mission within 3 minutes of getting there if the trip took half a day or longer
- Vulcan wouldn't survive long getting drilled into
- Why would the engines take half a day or longer to reach maximum warp as Sulu says in the film
- Does Pike really wait that long to find out what Chekov's name is?
All signs point to a relatively short trip. Less than an hour most certainly.
As soon as the Kelvin was destroyed, a new universe was born and in this universe JJ Abrams is God and whatever he says happens. If that means whole solar systems are closer together than previously thought, or farther than ever before, or some mysterious magical drive was developed or Timbuktu was floating in space, then that's what it is. That doesn't mean we trek fans can't analyze and nitpick to death though. 
It could be that they have working transwarp drives in this universe. I still like my idea of the Earth-Vulcan transwarp passage, surprised no one's really commented on it yet.
Star Trek V is totally apocryphal, so we don't have to worry about that.
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Ahem. Put short, they didn't.
I mean, seriously. It was the half-wit Vulcan's idea that their target would lie at the center of the galaxy. Kirk said there was no way to get there because the Great Barrier was in the way; he didn't even bother to comment on the travel time issue. And why should he, when he was obviously talking to a madman?
So for all we know, the ship only traveled to the relatively nearby Great Barrier under her own warp power. After this, one of two things happened: she found Sha Ka Ree just beyond the Barrier, closer than Sybok had been led to believe, or the divine entities in control of the Barrier propelled the ship to the center - much the same as the E-D was later propelled there in "Nth Degree", and perhaps even by the same entities!
Much the same logic applies to TAS "Magicks of Megas-Tu": the ship wouldn't travel to the galactic core, but merely to a location from which she could observe the galactic core. The episode doesn't say anything more explicit than that - it doesn't require the ship to actually reach the center.
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Guys guys guys, notice a couple of thigs:
- Kirk gets knocked out as soon as he gets on board.
- McCoy walks off camera, saying "unbelievable".
- After we cut back from the Bridge and the announcement, Kirk wakes up, and McCoy is in his blue uniform.
This indicates that there has been a time compression in the editing of the events depicted.
- Kirk gets knocked out as soon as he gets on board.
- McCoy walks off camera, saying "unbelievable".
- After we cut back from the Bridge and the announcement, Kirk wakes up, and McCoy is in his blue uniform.
This indicates that there has been a time compression in the editing of the events depicted.
I was under the impression that the crews were sort of thrown together in the event of the emergency. It's possible Chekov and Pike had never crossed paths before. He didn't know Sulu either.
I'm not really all that fond of the idea that Starfleet has working transwarp drives installed on its starships in this universe. If they can get from Earth to Vulcan in under an hour, then it shouldn't take them that much longer to travel further afield, and pretty soon there won't be a lot left for them to discover. Too much would happen too soon.
It could be that at the time of the Battle of Vulcan, Starfleet had created a transwarp drive that worked for a while, but was withdrawn after one such drive malfunctioned and a ship exploded. They decided it needed some more work. I suppose this could go some way toward explaining the trip to the galactic core in Star Trek V, though I still prefer to write that film off as having never happened.
It could be that at the time of the Battle of Vulcan, Starfleet had created a transwarp drive that worked for a while, but was withdrawn after one such drive malfunctioned and a ship exploded. They decided it needed some more work. I suppose this could go some way toward explaining the trip to the galactic core in Star Trek V, though I still prefer to write that film off as having never happened.
Chekov may have made the announcement once they got started. This would give the crew direction for making preparations etc. for evacuations, rescues, equipment calibration etc.
We don't know how long that drill had been running, or how long the drill would have had to run to penetrate the crust.
- Sulu announces maximum warp, and Chekov's announcement are made BEFORE kirk wakes up.
- It is at THAT point that we notice McCoy's costume change etc. It's possible that in Kirk's sleep, he heard the annoucnement, and when the drug wore off, he suddenly came to.
For reasons alluded to above, it wasn't that long.
- I beg to differ
You might want to take a look at this website, especially the part where it talks about "warp highways", similar to my idea:
http://www.ditl.org/index.php?daybody=/datarticle.php?17
Just click on Sci-tech, then scroll down until you see 'Warp Factors' and click that, and keep scrolling down, you'll see it.
http://www.ditl.org/index.php?daybody=/datarticle.php?17
Just click on Sci-tech, then scroll down until you see 'Warp Factors' and click that, and keep scrolling down, you'll see it.
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I never really thought about it, but the film gave me the impression that warp is pretty much instantaneous in this version. Then again, everything kinda seemed instantaneous to me. Everything felt very rushed.
My point was, if the trip took half a day, or hours at least... why would Pike wait that long before asking Chekov's name?
And regardless, it wouldn't take hours for the Narada to reach Vulcan's core.
Once they got started? Is that why he says at the end of his announcement that they're 3 minutes from Vulcan?
It's not exactly plausible that Nero's weapon of mass destruction takes hours to drill into a planet's core. Defense ships would be all over it. It makes no sense, and it's far more plausible that the Narada's drill can reach a planet's core within an hour.
No, because in the same announcement Chekov mentions being at Vulcan in 3 minutes. Therefore there's no way Kirk heard it 'while he was sleeping'. Sulu's max warp, and Chekov's announcement happen just before Kirk wakes up.
I had always assumed anyway that Vulcans were right in our neighborhood (or we were in there's). Obviously not Alpha Centauri but close enough (within twenty light years or so) that we probably already had a name for their star, etc before finding out is was the Vulcan system.
I agree it seemed like a short amount of time, but to be fair it wasn't often in the other series that they were zooming about the Alpha Quadrant at high warp.
That was mostly saved for emergencies; most of the time they were content to travel at Warp 4 or 5-- where it obviously WOULD take a lot longer to get from planet to planet.
That was mostly saved for emergencies; most of the time they were content to travel at Warp 4 or 5-- where it obviously WOULD take a lot longer to get from planet to planet.
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That depends on:
- When they start drilling.
- How powerful the drill was, regardless of the Red Matter to follow.
I didn't remember that line of dialogue, I guess I'll have to watch the movie again.
First, we don't know when they STARTED drilling;
Second, we actually don't know how poerful the drill is, regardless of the Red Matter sent down.
So how long, precisely, does it take for McCoy to change his uniform?
Does Kirk only stay knocked out after only a minute or two?
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