I actually liked it because buy saying it that way he came across as condescending and disrespectful to pike.
My cringe worthy moment was the Vulcan bullies calling Spock's mom a whore.
To me that was unnecessary and way too over the top.
Moments that really made you cringe or disliked
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I actually liked it because buy saying it that way he came across as condescending and disrespectful to pike.
My cringe worthy moment was the Vulcan bullies calling Spock's mom a whore.
To me that was unnecessary and way too over the top.
Fair enough. If that's how it struck you, that's how it struck you, no arguing with that.
I understand why you would think that, that's obviously one way to interpret that. But keep in mind, mature people can do immature things if they want to make a point, and that doesn't make them immature people, even if they act silly to point out how silly something is.Again, an example from my life: as a graduate student in English, I was taking a teaching composition class. We got what I considered an absolutely absurd assignment: we were to draw a picture and use it to explain/analyze the writing process. Not a diagram, but a picture, like a tree or a coffee maker. We had a rather hippie teacher.
Anyway, at first the assignment enraged me, I felt it beneath me—I was a graduate student with an A record, a serious researcher! But then the punk rocker came out of me (I was also a performing musician). So for my image, I drew a rather pornographic image, then spent the essay analyzing it academically, sure to point out at the end that I felt my image was no more absurd than the assignment as a whole. Perhaps not my most mature moment, but I still graduated with an A average and went on to teach college English...careful not to give silly assignments. 
Point being, I can definitely see a mature and ready for command Kirk being at first angered by the test, so he takes it again and is frustrated by the test...and then decides to "take the piss" as the English say when he signs up for it a third time. Remember, he listened to the Beastie Boys as a kid, maybe there's just a little punk rocker in him too!
The only thing I cringed at was Nero explaining what happened to his family...and Spock explaining how he screwed up trying to save Romulus and failed. I don't blame the actors for that, though. In fact, I really liked the sorrowful tone in Nimoy's voice...it was very effective.
It's just that the storytelling for Nero's history/justification for his hatred of Spock was so dumb and forced. It was a huge letdown because up until both, I was completely into the movie, thoroughly enjoying it and thinking it will be perfect if they just give us a good backstory for the villain. And then they didn't and it wasn't.
It's just that the storytelling for Nero's history/justification for his hatred of Spock was so dumb and forced. It was a huge letdown because up until both, I was completely into the movie, thoroughly enjoying it and thinking it will be perfect if they just give us a good backstory for the villain. And then they didn't and it wasn't.
1. That they would send a senior citizen by himself to carry out such a mission.
2. That it only takes a drop of Red-Matter to collapse the star and yet he has enough to fill a large beach-ball.
3. Kirk's meteoric Cadet-to-Captain rise.
4. Gaila, the green skinned SoCal bimbo.
5. I absolutely refuse to believe that Delta Vega is a Vulcan moon. What we saw on screen when Vulcan is destroyed is through Spock's mind's eye. Besides. Wouldn't have Delta Vega been sucked into the black hole?
6. Simon Pegg is woefully miscast as Montgomery Scott.
7. The way Kirk acts when beating the Kobayashi Maru.
2. That it only takes a drop of Red-Matter to collapse the star and yet he has enough to fill a large beach-ball.
3. Kirk's meteoric Cadet-to-Captain rise.
4. Gaila, the green skinned SoCal bimbo.
5. I absolutely refuse to believe that Delta Vega is a Vulcan moon. What we saw on screen when Vulcan is destroyed is through Spock's mind's eye. Besides. Wouldn't have Delta Vega been sucked into the black hole?
6. Simon Pegg is woefully miscast as Montgomery Scott.
7. The way Kirk acts when beating the Kobayashi Maru.
Delta Vega is not a Vulcan moon! It is another planet that has an orbit that at times places it in close proximity to Vulcan.
Three points:
1. Our moon is in a pretty close orbit and I've never seen it that large in the sky.
2. If Delta Vega was that close to Vulcan when it imploded shouldn't there have been some noticable effects on Delta Vega?
3. The very notion of Delta Vega being in the Vulcan system is like a middle finger to Where No Man Has Gone Before.
The new politically correct term is: 'basement-dwelling fanboys'. Some Moderators have an aversion to certain words used by 'non-haters'/'non-basement-dwelling fanboys'. Conversely, we should be known as 'people with average or better intelligence'.Lol. Looks like the haters have all come back...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
If there had never been a release of scenes being filmed in a brewery, would anyone be complaining about how it looks 'like a brewery'? Just a thought I keep having...The engine room of the Enterprise sucked in May. It still sucks now. I cringe whenever I think of or see pics of that oversized beer brewery and Scotty's stupid trip through the water pipes.
Eh. So it was enlarged a bit for cinematic effect. Trek does that kind of thing all the time.
Well it was ALREADY an ice planet. It's not like there was a delicate ecosystem to worry about destroying.
And again, it probably wasn't as close to Vulcan as people are thinking anyway.
... or the name was just a loving homage and nothing more (since most moviegoers wouldn't have known or cared in the first place). I really doubt we were meant to believe that was the SAME Delta Vega as in that episode.
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Ha, I know. Suddenly everybody's a "brewery expert."
I mean I consider myself to be a pretty big Trek fan, but I've never cared THAT much what freakin Engineering looked like. lol
The one in this movie looked like a big, complex "engine room"-type space to me. And that was good enough.
Delayed QFT!!!
At least Keenser (I think that's his name) didn't speak! Have to say although he grew on me, I had a similar first reaction. "Oh, god, a cute Star Wars type character. Gag me!" Also, how Kirk gets leapfrogged to become captain of Enterprise made me cringe. -- RR
It just seemed sloppy. Hundreds of possibilities for winks and nods and you go for Delta Vega?
The movie just works better for me if I use my own explanation!
I would choose any scene where a Gorn is chasing Kirk. "Ugh-hey" that creeped the shat out of me! It was like listening to a stuck tape or something. They repeated that soundbite over and over and over again!
I actually liked the film for the most part, it was a nice shot in the arm for new fans. However the whole Cadet to Captian thing came across as super fanboi-ish and way too fast for me to swallow.
Somethings made me go meh and others made me go wow cool! However they have been covered so I just stucked with the one thing that annoyed me.
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Somethings made me go meh and others made me go wow cool! However they have been covered so I just stucked with the one thing that annoyed me.
Vons
Personally, I loved the whole "Hi, Christopher. I'm Nero".
cringe?
* Kirk's promotion to captain - puhleeze.
* Actor they picked for Sarek... I recognized EVERYONE ELSE and kept asking myself "who is that ugly Vulcan dude with the weird looking block face" and realized late in the movie it was Sarek... they cast everyone true to the character except for him.
* Spock and Uhura makin' out. Dunno why. Just bugged me.
But, I accept it. Spock always was the one that was the romantic hero. Kirk the heart breaker? Please. It was always Spock. In fact I always got that Kirk was just Married To The Job. This site pretty much debunks Kirk's womanizing ways, and I agree with it:
http://www.thecaptainkirkpage.com/kirksex.html
cringe?
* Kirk's promotion to captain - puhleeze.
* Actor they picked for Sarek... I recognized EVERYONE ELSE and kept asking myself "who is that ugly Vulcan dude with the weird looking block face" and realized late in the movie it was Sarek... they cast everyone true to the character except for him.
* Spock and Uhura makin' out. Dunno why. Just bugged me.
But, I accept it. Spock always was the one that was the romantic hero. Kirk the heart breaker? Please. It was always Spock. In fact I always got that Kirk was just Married To The Job. This site pretty much debunks Kirk's womanizing ways, and I agree with it:
http://www.thecaptainkirkpage.com/kirksex.html
The Spock/Uhura love story. Never in the original series would that have happened.
And Spock Stranding Kirk.
And Spock Stranding Kirk.
Have you ever seen it, filtered through a Vulcan mind-meld or Vulcan telepathy? Don't bother to answer that one.
You don't know how close it was and -- more important -- Vulcan (collapsed) still has the same mass as Vulcan (pre-collapse). Why would there be noticeable effects?
How much more of a middle finger would that be than all the rest of the TOS episodes which did not agree with the way things were presented in WNMHGB, exactly? Please go into detail, and feel free to use charts showing how much more of a plot contrivance Delta Vega is in the new movie than it was forty-plus years ago and how much more clearly Delta Vega's position was detailed in the second pilot.
Just time for three right now...
"Earth bases that were days away are now years away". So that takes care of Earth. But if the Enterprise was that badly damaged and in the Vulcan system why not simply beam Mitchell down to Delta Vega and then proceed to Vulcan for repairs? Or ditch Mitchell and then radio Vulcan for a ship to come tow them where they need to go?
In the end it was a silly name drop. My explanation works in my head and that's all that matters.
Nope. Within safe distance.
Actually, I believe the planet that Kirk is on is stated as "Delta Vega 4."
Right at the beginning, when Starfleet is asked if the anomaly is Klingon and they respond "Negative, you're 68,000km from..." Come on, 68,000km is nothing in space. One light year is 9,460,730,472,580.8 km!
The leading zero on the Kelvin's registry bugs the crap out of me.
"Transwarp beaming" and Spock's utter lack of hesitation at taking a steaming dump on the timeline by getting Scotty to invent it early.
Spock not being able to take a "Yo mama" joke.
The Vulcan kids all being taught in English (including the graphics of their schoolwork!) and all speaking English as well. I know they did it in the production to keep it simpler and more accessible for the audience and I know it could be fanwanked away by saying they have to learn Federation Standard but wouldn't it have worked better to have the Vulcan bullies teasing Spock in English purposely, to show their contempt of his "native" language? Like how about if he talked a little funny (to Vulcan ears) because he picked up certain phrases and mannerisms from his mother and they were teasing him about that? Now that would be a reason to start punching people in the face. Calling his mother a whore? Spock shouldn't even raise an eyebrow at that because it's such a juvenile insult.
Defining characteristic of Vulcans: logical. Defining characteristic of buildings that are suspended upside down from cliffs: illogical.
Amanda's leather headgear. I'm not against Winona Ryder MILFing it up in some leather but in the Vulcan desert? Illogical.
Vulcan being clearly visible from Delta Vega. I can't see Mars as anything more than a point of light from anywhere on Earth unless I use a telescope and it's in the same star system! (Or is Delta Vega Vulcan's moon/sister-planet?)
The Narada was a big mess. I wish it looked somewhat more like a ship.
Captain Pike eating the bug. It just wasn't necessary and it was kind of gross, despite how non-explicit it is in the film compared to TWOK.
The warp core coming out in bite sized chunks.
The leading zero on the Kelvin's registry bugs the crap out of me.
"Transwarp beaming" and Spock's utter lack of hesitation at taking a steaming dump on the timeline by getting Scotty to invent it early.
Spock not being able to take a "Yo mama" joke.
The Vulcan kids all being taught in English (including the graphics of their schoolwork!) and all speaking English as well. I know they did it in the production to keep it simpler and more accessible for the audience and I know it could be fanwanked away by saying they have to learn Federation Standard but wouldn't it have worked better to have the Vulcan bullies teasing Spock in English purposely, to show their contempt of his "native" language? Like how about if he talked a little funny (to Vulcan ears) because he picked up certain phrases and mannerisms from his mother and they were teasing him about that? Now that would be a reason to start punching people in the face. Calling his mother a whore? Spock shouldn't even raise an eyebrow at that because it's such a juvenile insult.
Defining characteristic of Vulcans: logical. Defining characteristic of buildings that are suspended upside down from cliffs: illogical.
Amanda's leather headgear. I'm not against Winona Ryder MILFing it up in some leather but in the Vulcan desert? Illogical.
Vulcan being clearly visible from Delta Vega. I can't see Mars as anything more than a point of light from anywhere on Earth unless I use a telescope and it's in the same star system! (Or is Delta Vega Vulcan's moon/sister-planet?)
The Narada was a big mess. I wish it looked somewhat more like a ship.
Captain Pike eating the bug. It just wasn't necessary and it was kind of gross, despite how non-explicit it is in the film compared to TWOK.
The warp core coming out in bite sized chunks.
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