Worf in Insurrection

[Therin of Andor]

Worf steps down from Klingon Ambasador to the Federation to be a security cheif again? What? There was no need to do that in NEM. They could have had him bringing a personal message from Shinzon to Picard as a way to bring Work into it. Once we got past FC it was misfire after misfire. What the heck happened? I blame Rick.

Dorn's new contract for DS9 specified that he could still be a part of TNG movies. Writer John Logan was faced with putting Ambassador Worf as a guest at the wedding, or he could put Worf back in Starfleet, all via a few strokes of his keyboard. It really didn't matter for the film, just that Worf be in it. So he rang Michael Dorn. He asked Dorn, "Do you want to be in your ambassador's robes?"

Dorn answered, "No, I want to be in my spacesuit - like everybody else."

As so ended Worf's sojourn as an ambassador.

This was part of a "Starlog" interview with Logan, IIRC.

 

[Shazam!]

In my head, Nemesis is set before the end of DS9. I haven't seen the end of DS9 in ages though, so it might not work.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

If that is what Dorn said, then it is yet another example of why we shouldn't let the actors dictate what their characters do. They don't know them or remember what they have done with them half as well as we do. Spinner kept saying he shouldn't play Data anymore because he himself is getting older and Data would not. This is contrary to what was said onscreen. Data ages, period! Patric Stewart killed the "Heart of Darkness" story for INS.

 

[Shazam!]

Data would not. This is contrary to what was said onscreen.

When was it said that Data ages?

 

[JarodRussell]

Data doesn't age.

He got sick in season 1, but then again they hadn't really figured out what Data should be at that time.


Problem with Nemesis was that all of the actors looked so totally unfit. In First Contact, all of the actors seemed like they were at the peak of their physical fitness. Johnathan Frakes never looked as thin as in First Contact. In Insurrection, they were partially still at the same level. But in Insurrection, EVERYONE looked so damn old and tired, and Frakes and Dorn looked pretty fat. My guess is that it was even intentional, to give the movie that tired feeling. Same reason why Stuart Baird wanted the music to feel somewhat tired and sad, because it was supposed to be the final movie.

Dorn's new contract for DS9 specified that he could still be a part of TNG movies. Writer John Logan was faced with putting Ambassador Worf as a guest at the wedding, or he could put Worf back in Starfleet, all via a few strokes of his keyboard. It really didn't matter for the film, just that Worf be in it. So he rang Michael Dorn. He asked Dorn, "Do you want to be in your ambassador's robes?"

Dorn answered, "No, I want to be in my spacesuit - like everybody else."

As so ended Worf's sojourn as an ambassador.

This was part of a "Starlog" interview with Logan, IIRC.

So sad if it's true. Worf could have done the SAME stuff being an ambassador, and it would have been good for the continuity. Picard could have asked him to go on the mission on the planet to find B4, and he could have been fighting the Remans on the Enterprise, simply because he is a Klingon and therefore the best damn defense they've got.

 

[Shazam!]

EVERYONE looked so damn old and tired, and Frakes and Dorn looked pretty fat. My guess is that it was even intentional

LOL

"As preperation for this movie I need you all to be lazy and get fat"

Best movie prep ever.

 

[eepruls]

In my head, Nemesis is set before the end of DS9. I haven't seen the end of DS9 in ages though, so it might not work.

Nemesis happens after DS9 because in Nemesis the Dominion war is already over (which happens in the DS9 finale). During the meeting in the conference room to discus who Shinzon is, the Dominion war is discussed in past tense and not as if it is currently happeneing. For example, Riker and Data say that "during the Dominion war, Reman soldiers were used in the most brutal of battles" and that Shinzon proved himself a formidable leader because he won many successful encounters.

 

[eepruls]

EVERYONE looked so damn old and tired, and Frakes and Dorn looked pretty fat. My guess is that it was even intentional

LOL

"As preperation for this movie I need you all to be lazy and get fat"

Best movie prep ever.

Your comment made me laugh my head off! Yeah Frakes and Dorn, eat whatever shit you want and for heaven's sake, don't exercise. The script demands it! LOL

 

[apenpaap]

In my head, Nemesis is set before the end of DS9. I haven't seen the end of DS9 in ages though, so it might not work.

Nemesis happens after DS9 because in Nemesis the Dominion war is already over (which happens in the DS9 finale). During the meeting in the conference room to discus who Shinzon is, the Dominion war is discussed in past tense and not as if it is currently happeneing. For example, Riker and Data say that "during the Dominion war, Reman soldiers were used in the most brutal of battles" and that Shinzon proved himself a formidable leader because he won many successful encounters.

Also, Janeway appears in it as an admiral, meaning it must be after 2378.

 

[eepruls]

In my head, Nemesis is set before the end of DS9. I haven't seen the end of DS9 in ages though, so it might not work.

Nemesis happens after DS9 because in Nemesis the Dominion war is already over (which happens in the DS9 finale). During the meeting in the conference room to discus who Shinzon is, the Dominion war is discussed in past tense and not as if it is currently happeneing. For example, Riker and Data say that "during the Dominion war, Reman soldiers were used in the most brutal of battles" and that Shinzon proved himself a formidable leader because he won many successful encounters.

Also, Janeway appears in it as an admiral, meaning it must be after 2378.

Good point! And Voyager didn't get back until two years after the end of DS9.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

I believe the bit about Data aging is in TNG's "Inheritance". I'd have to check.....

 

[nx1701g]

^ It is. Data has a program designed to make his appearance change over time; which was why he had partially white hair in AGT.

 

[Timo]

...Although the white that turned him into a "bloody skunk" was apparently a recent addition to his appearance, not a gradual development. Makes one wonder how realistic this aging program was supposed to be; would Data age like Brent Spiner, or at a different pace, or in a different manner?

Certainly Data in "AGT.." had aged differently from Brent Spiner. Perhaps he had disabled his aging program altogether, or slowed it down. In ST:NEM, he probably had left the program running.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JarodRussell]

Guys, you really need to learn to separate reality from fiction.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

The point was that Brent didn't know about that bit of character development. This is precisely why we should RARELY listen to them about what happens with the roles they play. Worf not being an Ambasador in NEM either by dialog or inference because Dorn wanted to wear the same outfit as ewverybody else is just stupid.

 

[Timo]

The thing is, roughly 90% of the things that happen in the Star Trek universe is because of something stupid being done in the real universe. We have transporters because Roddenberry couldn't afford shuttlecraft; we have disintegrating phasers because he couldn't afford or didn't want to show charred corpses. Picard has a British accent because a French-accented actor wasn't chosen to play him.

Some of these features of the Trek universe end up being pretty enjoyable (say, the transporters). Some end up being annoying. But it's all Trek nevertheless. Real-world stupidity or cleverness shapes the fictional universe in new and often interesting directions. Perhaps Worf's career as a Starfleet officer will prove more interesting than his abortive one as a diplomat, perhaps less?

We did see what might happen to Worf the politician in two alternate futures: "Firstborn" and "All Good Things..". Perhaps that was plenty already, and we should get on with Worf the warrior...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^One thing... British actors tend to play French actors, I've noticed... Odd thing...

 

[milo bloom]

Guys, you really need to learn to separate reality from fiction.

The problem with Brent Spiner aging was that it was already addressed within the fiction (I'm pretty sure it was addressed specifically for Data, and I'm almost certain it was addressed with his "mother" Julianna whatshername).

The Worf thing about want to be in his "spacesuit" I can kinda let go, because the ambassador thing always seemed like a stretch to me, and the DS9 producers had to have known there was the possibility of more movies. As great as DS9 is, that was one of the things that seemed a little last minute to me. Word had dabbled in politics before, and it didn't end well if I recall correctly.

 

[Hober Mallow]

The problem with Brent Spiner aging was that it was already addressed within the fiction (I'm pretty sure it was addressed specifically for Data, and I'm almost certain it was addressed with his "mother" Julianna whatshername).

I believe the specific line of dialog from the episode was as follows: Geordi -- "Not only does she age in appearance like Data..."

 

[Bones2]

And the TNG episode with Bashir in mentions Data aging. I think it was Birthright part 1.