People who liked G.I. Joe but not Transformers 2...

[Emher]

...Please explain to me why? They're both essentially the same movie. Both big dumb actioners with lots of the aforementioned action, both laughable scripts and so on. I'll admit that TF 2 had cruder humor but to counter that I had a hard time telling what was going on in G.I. Joe about a third of the time.

Be noted though that I actually like both movies, nothing wrong with big dumb action.

 

[Thrall]

Here's the difference between Steven Sommers and Micheal Bay. Steven Sommers knows that he sucks. And he has fun with that. Bay thinks that his stuff is high art.

GI Joe felt like an actual GI Joe movie. Everything from the cheeseball villains to the James Bondesque technology to the underwater bases. TF was just a Michael Bay movie with Transformers characters in it. And they're not even the focus of the films. Some generic Orange County brat is. GI Joe is actually ABOUT GI Joe.

GI Joe actually had character development. Well, as much as a Steven Sommers movie could have that. Probably. Maybe. With TF2, the characters regress. Megan Fox actually had more going on with her character in the first film. In the second one she just becomes the annoyingly clingy girlfriend. The mother becomes even more stupid then she already was.

TF2 was a racist piece of shit. Jar Jar just lost his title as most Racist Sci Fi character of all time with that movie. With GI Joe, the black guys aren't annoying and kind of kick ass. They both live, one is the team leader and the other gets with the hot white chick.

With GI Joe there was a point to the action. It was very simple. "Stop Cobra". Most of the action in TF2 was pointless, aimless, and went on forever. How you make a bunch of giant robots fighting each other boring, I don't know. But somehow Bay managed to do it.

The plot in GI Joe was decent. It was your standard, bad guys trying to take over the world through evil nonsense. Very basic and easy to follow. I'm still not sure what the plot of TF2 was.

I'll never claim GI Joe is high art, but it's better then TF2.

Oh, and Seina Miller and Rachel Nichols are way hotter then Megan Fox. Yeah I said it.

 

[melancholymecha]

am I the only one that just cant get into these 80's toy cartoon movies? I have like zero interest in even giving them a Netflix rental. :/

 

[Dick Whitman]

am I the only one that just cant into these 80's toy cartoon movies? I have like zero interest in even giving them a Netflix rental. :/

No you are not alone. I am the right age that I could have had both Transformers and GI Joe toys and watched the cartoons but never. I have a vague awareness of both but that is all.

As a result I have no sentimental attachment to either. So both look awful to me. Particularly Transformers, which looks like absolute garbage. I could see GI Joe working better because the concept is simpler with human characters. But even then it looks so generic. Beyond the name recognition the trailers looked like every other stock action/sci movie of today.

 

[roguephoenix]

I had a hard time telling what was going on in G.I. Joe about a third of the time.

O_O

 

[bigdaddy]

No.

I haven't seen either movie, but if I enjoy it and you don't I don't need to explain anything.

Also you could drive a transforming GI Joe alien robot through the plot holes of Transformers and I guess that continues in the sequel.

 

[ATimson]

As a result I have no sentimental attachment to either. So both look awful to me.

You don't need sentimental attachment to not think that they're awful. I've never seen anything G.I. Joe before, but I enjoyed the movie. Was it high art? Hell no. Was it two hours of sheer fun? Hell yes. Best $5 I've spent since my second showing of Abramstrek.

 

[melancholymecha]

am I the only one that just cant into these 80's toy cartoon movies? I have like zero interest in even giving them a Netflix rental. :/

No you are not alone. I am the right age that I could have had both Transformers and GI Joe toys and watched the cartoons but never. I have a vague awareness of both but that is all.

As a result I have no sentimental attachment to either. So both look awful to me. Particularly Transformers, which looks like absolute garbage. I could see GI Joe working better because the concept is simpler with human characters. But even then it looks so generic. Beyond the name recognition the trailers looked like every other stock action/sci movie of today.

thats the thing, I did watch them when I was a kid, but I dunno- maybe its b/c Im a girl, & I also didnt have the toys(though my cousin did) so I dont have the same adoration & nostalgia for them that a lot of guys seem to have.

Then agan, I was a huge Care Bears, Strawberry Shortcake & My Little Pony fan, had a ton of the toys, but doubt I could ever sit through a live action Hollywood version of those either!

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

G.I Joe was so much fun. I mean preposterous loud, with great FX mixed with attrocious ones, but it was a tight movie that left me grinning, and all the humor fit the film. Sure small bits like the romantic relationships between adults, werent meant for kids, but I'd let a kid watch it. I'd let a kid watch the first Transformers, despite the inclusion of a few lines that might not be appropriate.. the story would be engrossing enough for a kid to look past it. But with TF2 these "humour moments" hurt the flow of the film and took you right out of it. And the ending was a pointless and protracted chase. What bugged me so much was that all the characters from the first film acted so out of character, especially Megatron

 

[Tulin]

I have less than ZERO interest in seeing the pathetic Transformers sequel. I LOATHE it and see it as most of what is wrong with Hollywood films these days. Funny thing is though, I actually want to watch GI Joe. It just looks fun. From the preview alone it looks like it has actual characters, rather than just stupid CGI robots.

I guess not everybody's the same.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

i think it does have actual characters. I'm going again this weekend
i enjoyed it

 

[Chaos Descending]

With GI Joe, the black guys aren't annoying and kind of kick ass. They both live, one is the team leader and the other gets with the hot white chick.

Which black guy did you think was supposed to be the team leader?!?!?!?!

 

[captcalhoun]

Heavy Duty, i'd imagine. the one who does a lot of leading when Duke's captured. the one doing a lot of leading in Paris...

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

G.I. Joe was loud, and silly, but made absolutely no apologies about it. It knew it was a dumb movie, but I had fun through the whole thing. There was a big dumb grin on my face. Transformers 2 was louder, and sillier, but thought it was art. I felt like I was under assault during the film. It was full or racist caricatures, horrible humor, and I couldn't tell worth a damn what was going on during any of the action scenes. Anybody that tries to claim these were essentially the same movie clearly wasn't watching them.

 

[Thrall]

With GI Joe, the black guys aren't annoying and kind of kick ass. They both live, one is the team leader and the other gets with the hot white chick.

Which black guy did you think was supposed to be the team leader?!?!?!?!

Duke wasn't the team leader. Heavy Duty was. That much was obvious.

 

[Emher]

Oh, and Seina Miller and Rachel Nichols are way hotter then Megan Fox. Yeah I said it.

That I'll give without a doubt. Also after thinking about I'm prepared to give G.I. Joe the slight edge since there's not any huge stuff I actually would have changed about it, whereas I admit that Transformers 2 would have been a better movie if they'd cut the twins and the roommate.

I had a hard time telling what was going on in G.I. Joe about a third of the time.

O_O

I did! It's filmed a bit too close and stuff keeps flying around the screen. I still enjoyed it, but that would have been my main change to G.I. Joe: just pull the camera back a little. They did that in Transformers 2 compared to the first and it helps the action a lot.

No.

I haven't seen either movie, but if I enjoy it and you don't I don't need to explain anything.

Jeez, you act like I insulted your mother or something. If you haven't seen the movies and don't feel like discussing them (because that's what this is, a discussion, not the Spanish inquisition) why even bother posting in the thread?

G.I Joe was so much fun. I mean preposterous loud, with great FX mixed with attrocious ones, but it was a tight movie that left me grinning, and all the humor fit the film. Sure small bits like the romantic relationships between adults, werent meant for kids, but I'd let a kid watch it. I'd let a kid watch the first Transformers, despite the inclusion of a few lines that might not be appropriate.. the story would be engrossing enough for a kid to look past it. But with TF2 these "humour moments" hurt the flow of the film and took you right out of it. And the ending was a pointless and protracted chase. What bugged me so much was that all the characters from the first film acted so out of character, especially Megatron

Okay maybe this is a cultural thing but...there's much more graphic violence in G.I. Joe then in the first Transformers movie. I'd have doubts about showing it to a kid while Transformers is a much easier decision since it's less graphic.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Here's the difference between Steven Sommers and Micheal Bay. Steven Sommers knows that he sucks. And he has fun with that. Bay thinks that his stuff is high art.

GI Joe felt like an actual GI Joe movie. Everything from the cheeseball villains to the James Bondesque technology to the underwater bases. TF was just a Michael Bay movie with Transformers characters in it. And they're not even the focus of the films. Some generic Orange County brat is. GI Joe is actually ABOUT GI Joe.

GI Joe actually had character development. Well, as much as a Steven Sommers movie could have that. Probably. Maybe. With TF2, the characters regress. Megan Fox actually had more going on with her character in the first film. In the second one she just becomes the annoyingly clingy girlfriend. The mother becomes even more stupid then she already was.

TF2 was a racist piece of shit. Jar Jar just lost his title as most Racist Sci Fi character of all time with that movie. With GI Joe, the black guys aren't annoying and kind of kick ass. They both live, one is the team leader and the other gets with the hot white chick.

With GI Joe there was a point to the action. It was very simple. "Stop Cobra". Most of the action in TF2 was pointless, aimless, and went on forever. How you make a bunch of giant robots fighting each other boring, I don't know. But somehow Bay managed to do it.

The plot in GI Joe was decent. It was your standard, bad guys trying to take over the world through evil nonsense. Very basic and easy to follow. I'm still not sure what the plot of TF2 was.

I'll never claim GI Joe is high art, but it's better then TF2.

Oh, and Seina Miller and Rachel Nichols are way hotter then Megan Fox. Yeah I said it.

That seems fair, and I haven't even seen GI Joe yet.

I was planning to wait for DVD.

 

[Chess Piece Face]

I thought GI Joe was better than the FIRST transformers.

It's still a nothing movie though.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Oh, and Seina Miller and Rachel Nichols are way hotter then Megan Fox. Yeah I said it.

That I'll give without a doubt. Also after thinking about I'm prepared to give G.I. Joe the slight edge since there's not any huge stuff I actually would have changed about it, whereas I admit that Transformers 2 would have been a better movie if they'd cut the twins and the roommate.

O_O

I did! It's filmed a bit too close and stuff keeps flying around the screen. I still enjoyed it, but that would have been my main change to G.I. Joe: just pull the camera back a little. They did that in Transformers 2 compared to the first and it helps the action a lot.

No.

I haven't seen either movie, but if I enjoy it and you don't I don't need to explain anything.

Jeez, you act like I insulted your mother or something. If you haven't seen the movies and don't feel like discussing them (because that's what this is, a discussion, not the Spanish inquisition) why even bother posting in the thread?

G.I Joe was so much fun. I mean preposterous loud, with great FX mixed with attrocious ones, but it was a tight movie that left me grinning, and all the humor fit the film. Sure small bits like the romantic relationships between adults, werent meant for kids, but I'd let a kid watch it. I'd let a kid watch the first Transformers, despite the inclusion of a few lines that might not be appropriate.. the story would be engrossing enough for a kid to look past it. But with TF2 these "humour moments" hurt the flow of the film and took you right out of it. And the ending was a pointless and protracted chase. What bugged me so much was that all the characters from the first film acted so out of character, especially Megatron

Okay maybe this is a cultural thing but...there's much more graphic violence in G.I. Joe then in the first Transformers movie. I'd have doubts about showing it to a kid while Transformers is a much easier decision since it's less graphic.

my opinion is different. You may claim it has graphic violence, and even more than the first TF film but the important things with kids is considering the tone. It's clear that the whole thing is not played as if its completely real. The film does take its characters and situations realistically ... at least it plays them realistically on its own level, but a kid will realize when they are watching it that its not real drama action or viollence.

 

[Chaos Descending]

With GI Joe, the black guys aren't annoying and kind of kick ass. They both live, one is the team leader and the other gets with the hot white chick.

Which black guy did you think was supposed to be the team leader?!?!?!?!

Duke wasn't the team leader. Heavy Duty was. That much was obvious.

Hawk was the team leader.