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Karen Traviss vs Clone Wars Season 2

Well, the f*cktards over at SD.net will be pleased. Karen was about the only one in the book side of things to put a stop to the bullsh*t hyper-buffing of Wars tech in the print spinoffs (like the Crosssections books) that Warsies wanked off to in order to delude themselves that Imperial tech was ubersuperior to any other franchise...
There's always one. :wtf:
Look, I'll freely admit to never even having READ one of her books. I just know from the reviews and the amount of venom the Talifan spewed at her that she kicks the Rabid Warsies in the proverbial crotch and that get's her +1 googleplex points in my book!:bolian:
You don't know what you're talking about, so you shouldn't be talking about it.
 
I think what we got with Traviss was classic net-drama. "OMG, you're so man I'm going to run around and complain about how sucky you are!!!". And, just like any stupid drama on a board, people chose up sides and away we go.
 
There's always one. :wtf:
Look, I'll freely admit to never even having READ one of her books. I just know from the reviews and the amount of venom the Talifan spewed at her that she kicks the Rabid Warsies in the proverbial crotch and that get's her +1 googleplex points in my book!:bolian:
You don't know what you're talking about, so you shouldn't be talking about it.
Yikes, that was rather mean-spirited, wasn't it? :wtf:

Sorry, darkwing, for some reason Karen Traviss just gets my Warsie blood boiling. :lol:
 
All I know is, the only Traviss I've read so far was Revelations--which was beautifully written. Whatever people think of her in-universe opinions, it's a loss to the franchise that she's gone.
 
Does anyone know what exactly it is that appears in CW that contradicts her books?

Next season CW is going to have their own take on the Mandolorians, as I understand it, that'st going to go in a different route than she has. And I think some of her background on the Clones and Commonados has been overwritten or contradicted here and there.
 
ah, thanks. Should be interesting to see where CW goes with it. I find KT's work to be kind of hit or miss. While I like the mythology she created around the clone troopers and the Mandalorians at large, it can be a bit much at times. That comes just from reading the Republic Commando books. I don't read post ROTJ books that often, the Vong stuff just didn't appeal to me. Also, though a bit off topic I have to say that for being so "badass" Boba DIED like a bitch... :rommie: If Lucas wanted him to survive, he would have added it to the Special Editions when they came out (flying out of the Sarlaac on his rocket pack or something)
 
And here's probably what (Spoilers in the link) put her knickers in a twist:

In season one, LucasFilm outlawed putting bounty hunters into the show. That changes big time in season two, with franchise fan favorite Boba Fett coming in.
Filoni notes that for all his immense reputation, fans never really got to see Fett do all that much action in the Star Wars films, except "get his gun cut in half by Luke."

That pretty much contradicts her take
that Boba was MIA/hiding for more of this time period.

Season 2 Mandlorian spoiler pic:

mandoimgo.jpg
 
so is 501st still coming out or what?

and i presume Imperial Commando 2 will either be cancelled or get a new author?
Imperial Commando: 501st and IC2 had/will have manuscripts turned in by Karen, but any future IC tales will be by a new author.

Of course, that doesn't stop LFL from spiking one or both books and paying Karen the kill fee.
 
I'm just struck by the irony of Karen "Continuity Doesn't Matter" Traviss quitting over continuity changes.
 
Honestly, I did not like her RC books at all. At times, they were quite boring and very difficult to read. Her LOTF books were the opposite by being quite good.
 
She isn't a bad writer, from what I have actually read of hers. It just seems like she just does her own thing and doesn't care how it affects the other books around her. For example, her Legacy of the Force books. The series was about Galactic issues, Jacen becoming a Sith, the Jedi being outlawed (kinda), and the issues therein.

Then, every third book, we got this complete side story about Boba Fett that seemed very unrelated to the main thrust of the books. Boba was dying and is being seen as a bad Mandalorian. Okay...so what? Outside of the Han/Boba team-up and them helping towards the end of the series, the Mandalorian subplot(s) seemed very tacked on and bogged down the narrative.
 
Hey, I'll say it. I actually like the Traviss "Republic Commando" books. I like the different take. I like the fact that the clones are given personalities. They're given a face, and they had not really had one (no pun intended) previously. I hadn't really even thought of them before.

I'm also big fan of the Skirata stuff regarding the Commandos, the Nulls, etc. I also like how the later RC books showed how some of the stuff regarding the creation of the Clone Army and how the Clone Wars are playing out doesn't seem to really make sense...telegraphing that it was all a setup in order to further the ultimate creation of the Empire and installation of Palpatine as Emperor.

I know Traviss takes hits on her attitudes against Jedi. But aren't some of them true? Even though they claim not to be soldiers, etc, they took officer positions in the GAR and led slave troops into battle. If Jedi are made to look foolish/arrogant at all, it's RotS that does that.

I was never a big Boba fan so anything she changed or moved around in terms of the history of the Mandalorians means nothing to me. From looking at the star wars wiki a little it seems she at least tried to pull some stuff together.

If there are to be no more books I hope that 501st and IC#2 at least finish out the story about Skirata, Vau, Omega, and the Nulls. (Well, we know Jaing, Baradan, and the strill survive anyway)
 
Hey, I'll say it. I actually like the Traviss "Republic Commando" books. I like the different take. I like the fact that the clones are given personalities. They're given a face, and they had not really had one (no pun intended) previously. I hadn't really even thought of them before.

I've not read the Republic Commando books, but Traviss was not the first to explore the clones' perspective. Stover had a short story from their perspective, and Barnes gave his names and personalities in Cestus Deception; Nate Jangotat and his squad.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Where've you seen that?
Her blog post referenced in the first post in the thread.

"But as a writer, I have a moral deal with you, the reader - if I hook you with a story, my part of the deal is to follow through and give you a satisfying outcome. If changes beyond my control mean I can't give you that, then I won't do a half a job."

That sounds to me like she's pretty baldly stating that the * Commando series won't give us a satisfying outcome.
 
I don't know Order 66 really closed a lot of doors, and, as much of a slog as it was to read, it does serve as a pretty natural end point for the stories of those characters.
 
I know Traviss takes hits on her attitudes against Jedi. But aren't some of them true? Even though they claim not to be soldiers, etc, they took officer positions in the GAR and led slave troops into battle. If Jedi are made to look foolish/arrogant at all, it's RotS that does that.
I think she'd make her point better if she could construct more real Jedi characters-- all the Jedi in the RepCom novels are either unlikeable bastards or totally buy into the Mando way of life (except for, perhaps, Argilan Zey). Strawmen. We never really got any more complex, middle-ground characters. I think it's telling that no pre-established Jedi characters ever turned up in her novels; I don't think she could've written someone like Mace Windu or Obi-Wan Kenobi accurately. (Kenobi had good relationships with three clones-- Alpha, Rex, and Cody-- but you wouldn't know a Jedi was capable of that from reading her books.)

That said, I think Triple Zero is an excellent novel. Hard Contact was pretty good, and the last two RepCom novels had excellence just under the surface, begging to get out. She's a master of writing nuanced characters... when she's not turning them into deities.

I was never a big Boba fan so anything she changed or moved around in terms of the history of the Mandalorians means nothing to me. From looking at the star wars wiki a little it seems she at least tried to pull some stuff together.
Despite all the complaints about her Legacy of the Force novels, I think that Bloodlines was actually the best one in the series. Sure, the focus on Boba is a little weird, but it's perfectly done. Which is more than you can say for the focus on Luke, Jacen, Han, or anyone else in the rest of the series.
 
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