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Karen Traviss vs Clone Wars Season 2

I love the EU but it definitely has its flaws and there are many times it definitely doesn't "feel" like the movies, like the Vong War. Hell, even the Thrawn Trilogy, which is wonderful, doesn't "feel" like the movies since it greatly ignores Jedi/Dark Sider stuff. I thought LOTF was excellent until the last book, though. FOTJ is a little wonky so far (one good book, one terrible book) but I still look forward to getting the new one from my library!
 
I love the Legacy comics. Besides the KOTOR game, it's probably the only part of the EU I've ever liked. Wanting to punch Cade Skywalker in the face is one of the great joys in life.
 
I love the Legacy comics. Besides the KOTOR game, it's probably the only part of the EU I've ever liked. Wanting to punch Cade Skywalker in the face is one of the great joys in life.
The thing with Cade is that even when he tries to do right it gets so fucked up that he makes a bad situation worse.
 
It is such a shame she is leaving. I love all her SW work, and am disapointed that she feels she needs to leave.

However as a great fan of Warhammer 40,000, i don't rearly get the continuity thing...
But thats what elevates 40k above almost all other sci-fi.
 
However as a great fan of Warhammer 40,000, i don't rearly get the continuity thing...
But thats what elevates 40k above almost all other sci-fi.
Shoving dozens of books into the span of one year, and getting away with it because no two authors' books interact outside the Horus Heresy, doesn't seem like "elevation" to me. :p
 
However as a great fan of Warhammer 40,000, i don't rearly get the continuity thing...
But thats what elevates 40k above almost all other sci-fi.
Shoving dozens of books into the span of one year, and getting away with it because no two authors' books interact outside the Horus Heresy, doesn't seem like "elevation" to me. :p

Not quite. What elevates it is the fact that GW's stance on Canon in the Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer universes is that everything is canon and everything isnt canon. Any tale set within those universes may or may not be true. And thats the way we like it, because otherwise i have to accept the drivel written by C.S Goto as a legitimate part of the universe, not just the delusional fever dreams of a Narc addict.
 
She has too much of a hard on for the Mandalorians to the point that becomes overly excessive. The Legacy of the Force storyline went overboard with the Mandalorians in her books, I felt. I know they were important, but it seemed she spent lots and lots of time on stuff that, in the end, didn't really matter.

Agreed. Aside from their relevant supporting roles in the storyline of "Bloodlines" and "Revelation", there was really no huge reason that Fett and the Mandalorians deserved all of the space they got in the LOTF series, particularly in "Sacrifice" where the Fett/Mandalorian subplot was ENTIRELY unrelated to the main storyline. It would've been a whole lot better IMHO if Traviss had instead maybe worked her "what is Boba Fett up to during the events of Sacrifice?" ideas into a short story if she really wanted to write about them. Everything that she included with "Sacrifice" could have EASILY been a short story in and of itself and she could have spent a little more time, oh, I don't know, focusing on the main characters and plot in "Sacrifice"? Maybe? :wtf:
 
ATimson;3369624 Shoving dozens of books into the span of one year said:
Horus Heresy[/I], doesn't seem like "elevation" to me. :p

I don't want to drag this discussion off-topic, but I have to say you're wrong on both counts, there.

Just beacuse the books have the words Warhammer 40,000 on the cover does not mean they all take place during the year 40,000. Some do, some don't (Dan Abnett's Gaunt's Ghosts series, Sandy Mitchell's Ciaphas Cain books are all set pre-40K, for example).

As for authors 'interacting', there is crossover between works outside the Horus Heresy series; granted, it's not on the same scale as Star Trek or Star Wars tie-ins, but then that's because this is a franchise where the nature of it means authors share the 'world', not the 'characters'.
 
I don't want to drag this discussion off-topic, but I have to say you're wrong on both counts, there.
You're probably right to try to leave this thread on topic, so all I'll say here is thanks for correcting my misunderstandings.
 
I like butlerd's idea. I think I could've stomached all that Mandalorian stuff it had been written as a side story to the main events in LOTF. Perhaps in a novel or a side series of e-books or novels. It just felt shoehorned in and took way too much attention and character development away from many of the other characters. I would've liked to see more done with Jaina Solo, Daala, Tahiri, Lumiya, etc. seeing how more important they were to the central plot. Really you could've excised Boba Fett from LOTF and how would that have altered any of the key events in the story. It would've affected some things sure, but I felt that even Jaina's jaunt to Mandalore to receive training for Fett wasn't necessary. She was a Jedi warrior already. As I said previously I didn't have a problem with Traviss's writing, but her focus was in the wrong direction, particularly for the LOTF series.

I thought LOTF was a good idea, but poorly executed. I had no problem with the writers attempts to redo the Clone Wars, if they had actually improved upon them. LOTF started out good but fell apart. I'm two books into FOTJ, and the juries still out. I do feel that the series is moving at a much slower pace in comparison to LOTF.
 
what a strange story, i always thought it was assumed that onscreen stuff would contradict the EU. in fact i thought it already happened in the prequels?
 
Naw, for the most part they've tried their best to not step over the EU whenever possible. But it's also why the Clone Wars has never really been seriously covered until the movies came out.
 
I've been through this once on a more slow-going board and most of us agree Traviss is throwing a fit, taking her ball and going home. I'm not going to read all 5 pages but from the comments she has made, she did things to intentionally piss off fans of the franchise when they critiqued her work or said the Mandalorians were too heavily involved.

It started out great, I really liked the Republic Commando books at first but to slightly deviate off topic, the LOTF killed my interest in any more Star Wars EU books going in that era. They screwed up the universe and Jedi so much and from what I've heard of the newest revelations, it's gone to ridiculous lengths even for the EU's standards.

Whoever said that's true SW needs to go back and watch the OT. That isn't the kind of story Star Wars was telling or meant to tell. It's become nothing but a bleak war-oriented, no-hope story with few of the light-hearted or humorous moments we saw throughout the movies. It was never "it's hopeless" or this dark, unrelenting story telling we're getting now. There was always a ray of hope in it and LOTF just shit all over that.

Traviss was a part of that with her increasingly dark and Mandalorian-obsessed writing. All of the writers turned it into this "war is hell and we'll keep reminding you of it" idealogy and not doing much outside of their favorites and trashing those they don't like. And to tie back into Traviss, she did that to the Republic Commando series, making them into a shell of what they were and just arbitrarily killing people off as she saw fit with no logic behind it other than "darker, darker, more 'warry'."
 
Which war is!

Its great to feel the pressing darkness!

She should write warhammer!

Dear Emperor, I'd hate to see how fan-boyish she could end up making the Space Marines (who in some people's eyes, the bar has already been raised quite high) or whatever faction she decides to adopt if she ever wrote for that universe :p
 
Which war is!

Its great to feel the pressing darkness!

She should write warhammer!

Star Wars =/= reality. Star Wars is not meant to be an exact reproduction of how reality is. It's supposed to be an escape and an adventure. Not a torture to read which it has become and why I have quit reading it. It's disappointing that something that used to be so good even during the worst times has become a cheap nuBSG rip off (I like BSG, I just don't like it reproduced in everything). Zahn (arguably the god of SW EU) wrote some of the best "war" stories in the EU and it was never this negative and depressing.
 
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