"I've always known- I'll die alone."

[Chrisisall]

Does this invalidate "Generations"?
Who's canon counts? Shatner's was fired first....

 

[Ziz]

Why do people take this line so literally in the first place? Maybe it was his way of thanking Spock for saving him.

 

[Daneel]

It hardly invalidates Generations; Kirk was a lot of things, but a psychic was not one of them. He just figured he'd die alone, but there was no way he could know for sure.

 

[Shatmandu]

Looks like Kirk was alone on that bridge to me.

Or do people really think he meant, "I've always known: I'll die alone ... with no one within several miles of me. At least twenty. Give or take."

Kirk's not a nitpicky person, why should we be?

Joe, asspicky

 

[Chrisisall]

It hardly invalidates Generations; Kirk was a lot of things, but a psychic was not one of them. He just figured he'd die alone, but there was no way he could know for sure.

In a narrative connotation, he had to die without Spock & McCoy around, so I guess it makes sense, but I still think the Wyle E. Coyote thing was mundane at best.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Does this invalidate "Generations"?
Who's canon counts? Shatner's was fired first....

He meant alone; with out SPOCK/McCOY who are sharing that seem with him..

Rob

 

[Chrisisall]

He meant alone; with out SPOCK/McCOY who are sharing that seem with him..

You mean kinda like I said above?

 

[RobertScorpio]

He meant alone; with out SPOCK/McCOY who are sharing that seem with him..

You mean kinda like I said above?

Yep..i just read that. So, consider mine as fodder..LOL

Rob

 

[Peach Wookiee]

But in some ways, it could be argued that Spock and Bones were with him because Spock mindmelded with Kirk, McCoy and Picard.

 

[SeerSGB]

Does this invalidate "Generations"?
Who's canon counts? Shatner's was fired first....

He meant alone; with out SPOCK/McCOY who are sharing that seem with him..

Rob

That's what I thought as well. Kirk was never a family man-- he knew that, he was "married" to the service, to his ship. His friends were all the he had, and he knew that they weren't going to be around forever or that there was going to be a day, a mission when he didn't come back.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Shatner's explanation for that line in his Shatnerveser novel, AVENGER, gives much light to scene...

 

[Ziz]

Which is...what...for those of us that haven't read the book?

 

[RobertScorpio]

Which is...what...for those of us that haven't read the book?

Never demand the Shatner to explain. Just know that you have been blessed to live at the same time as our Lord and Savior..The Shatner. The Shatner is all knowing; all wise.

Rob Shatner

 

[David cgc]

Which is...what...for those of us that haven't read the book?

As I recall, when Kirk was a boy and witnessed the massacre on Tarsus, Kodos found him and was about to kill him, but Sarek (who was present for reasons I don't fully recall) protected him. Kodos then threatened Kirk that, when he least expected it, when he was completely alone, Kodos would kill him to guarantee his silence. Sarek removed that memory with a mind-meld, and all that was left behind was a unshakable conviction in Kirk that he'd die alone.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Of course Kirk came back from the dead due to those Borg nanoprobes in The Return, well for me anyway since i read the book.

As the book said...."Legends never die"

 

[QuasarVM]

Which is...what...for those of us that haven't read the book?

As I recall, when Kirk was a boy and witnessed the massacre on Tarsus, Kodos found him and was about to kill him, but Sarek (who was present for reasons I don't fully recall) protected him. Kodos then threatened Kirk that, when he least expected it, when he was completely alone, Kodos would kill him to guarantee his silence. Sarek removed that memory with a mind-meld, and all that was left behind was a unshakable conviction in Kirk that he'd die alone.

So, Kodos was kind of like Kirk's "Sideshow Bob"?

 

[I am not Spock]

Kirk died on some unknown planet 100 years after his time period, with his only company being a bald captain he barely knew. Sounds pretty alone to me.

 

[JarodRussell]

So much fuzz about a little sentence.

 

[seigezunt]

Generations begs to be invalidated. Geez what an abortion of a movie.

 

[Argus Skyhawk]

Kirk died on some unknown planet 100 years after his time period, with his only company being a bald captain he barely knew. Sounds pretty alone to me.

Agreed. I think Generations is pretty consistent with Kirk's line from Trek V.