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Where were the Science guys in Superman 2?

Crewman47

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I was watching it the other day for the first time in years and I never really caught onto it but in the scene where Zod and co arrive at the Moon the three of them begin walking on it as if there's an atmosphere equal to Earths, also Zod and Ursa speak to the astronauts and they speak back indicating they could hear them.

Is this another case of Kryptonian powers or is it considered a major goof?
 
Why would you expect science in the Superman movies? The first Reeve Superman film had just as much ludicrous science as the second one. These were fantasy films, making no pretense to realism. Comic books were not taken at all seriously by mainstream culture at the time, and indeed the Superman comics of the day were extremely fanciful.
 
The first film had superman flying around the world to reverse time, and you have a problem with the second?

I made a post on the travel back in time thing Superman did some time ago. I did notice that in the Donner cut of S2 that he did it again to basically erase all that had happened after the arrival of Zod. Felt like a bit of a cheat if you ask me if Superman could reverse time everytime something majorly bad happened.

On a seprate note comparing the Donner cut to the theatrical cut I prefered the theatrical cut better albeit with some (not all) extended scenes from the Donner cut.
 
I made a post on the travel back in time thing Superman did some time ago. I did notice that in the Donner cut of S2 that he did it again to basically erase all that had happened after the arrival of Zod. Felt like a bit of a cheat if you ask me if Superman could reverse time everytime something majorly bad happened.

I see it as less of a cheat than a writer painting themselves into a corner. If you accept that Superman can reverse the spin of the Earth to erase what happened, why wouldn't he do it every time something happened? Why shouldn't he do it to reverse the damage Zod caused?
 
I was watching it the other day for the first time in years and I never really caught onto it but in the scene where Zod and co arrive at the Moon the three of them begin walking on it as if there's an atmosphere equal to Earths, also Zod and Ursa speak to the astronauts and they speak back indicating they could hear them.

Is this another case of Kryptonian powers or is it considered a major goof?

Being on The Moon they'd be under the sun's influence and, thus, have their "super powers' including being able to (apparently) not need an atmosphere to survive nor really need gravity. Hence why they're walking around on The Moon as if it had Earth-like gravity and don't seemed bothered by the lack of any kind of atmosphere. As for the talking thing, well...

Sound only doesn't travel on the moon because there's no atmosphere to translate the sound between the lips and the ear. But, since we're dealing with "super beings" here. Maybe as they talk their voices also vibrate the gound they're standing on and vibrates the spaceman's suit as well as the air in his helmet so he can hear them. The process is reversed when the astronaut talks. The supermen's ears are so sensitive they can hear the vibrations (sound) through the ground and the astronaut's suit.

;)
 
Yeah, powerful comic book characters can always talk in space.

Kind of reminds me of the Star Trek/X-Men crossover comic they did years ago where the Enterprise encounters the Shi'ar hero Gladiator in space and they're stunned that he's talking to them.
 
You have to completely suspend your disbelief for movies like that, because there isn't one thing that's believable in them. Heck, who needs unbelievability on a host of science issues when I can't get past the fact that no one recognizes Clark as Superman. I will say though that Christopher Reeve came up with a great characterization for Clark that really distinguishes him from Superman. Man, I love those first two movies. I'll have to watch them again soon.
 
I recently watched this movie again too, and there was one moment I never noticed before, and that completely cracked me up.

After Zod and Ursa walk into that small little diner, and the whole time Ursa is interacting with the dumb hicks, you can see Zod in the background just... staring at a plate he's holding.

He does it for the longest time, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. :D
 
After Zod and Ursa walk into that small little diner, and the whole time Ursa is interacting with the dumb hicks, you can see Zod in the background just... staring at a plate he's holding.

He does it for the longest time, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. :D


Terence Stamp, being a consummate old-school stage actor, was probably admiring his own reflection in it....
 
If you accept that Superman can reverse the spin of the Earth to erase what happened, why wouldn't he do it every time something happened?

That isn't what happened. He flew so fast that he flew back in time and thus it seemed as if the earth rotates backwards. He didn't actually stop the earth's rotation by flying around it.
 
I made a post on the travel back in time thing Superman did some time ago. I did notice that in the Donner cut of S2 that he did it again to basically erase all that had happened after the arrival of Zod. Felt like a bit of a cheat if you ask me if Superman could reverse time everytime something majorly bad happened.

I see it as less of a cheat than a writer painting themselves into a corner. If you accept that Superman can reverse the spin of the Earth to erase what happened, why wouldn't he do it every time something happened? Why shouldn't he do it to reverse the damage Zod caused?

The thing is: Superman, The Movie and Superman II were originally supposed to be one long film. The ending of the first was always intended to wipe away the effects of Zod's conquest of Earth. However, behind the scenes conflicts arose between Donner and the Salkinds. Production was taking too long, and the Salkind's wanted to get a finished cut out to the theatres when Donner had most of what would be the first and about half of the second film shot. Donner made some changes to the first, like the death of Lois, to explain away the need to do time travel to erase it dramatically (hence why the crevice that ate Lois' car in the "first" timeline never showed up in the "second" and after Jimmy showed up). Tensions continued to rise, and shortly thereafter the Salkind's fired Donner and brought in Lester to finish the project of Superman II.

This is why the time travel scene is used again at the end of Donner's cut of Superman II. Because if he was allowed to finish the project as he had first envisioned it, that was how it was supposed to end.

I was watching it the other day for the first time in years and I never really caught onto it but in the scene where Zod and co arrive at the Moon the three of them begin walking on it as if there's an atmosphere equal to Earths, also Zod and Ursa speak to the astronauts and they speak back indicating they could hear them.

Is this another case of Kryptonian powers or is it considered a major goof?

What I believe is that the Kryptonian/Yellow sun powerset is vastly different from how they are actually portrayed. So that, while yes, some of their abilities are physical in nature, most of them can be explained away by the enhanced mental powers of telepathy and telekinesis. Such things as flight and super strength can be an obvious extension of telekinesis, but so can heat vision. Heat is produced by the agitation of molecules, so molecular level telekinesis would do the trick. This also explains Zod's levitating of the man with the shotgun in East Houston, Id.

Things like speaking in space, or even switching back and forth from English and Russian even though they'd never encountered those languages before, is obviously telepathy. Likewise "the kiss" at the end of Lester's Superman II, a telepathic mindwipe of Lois. But even his role as Clark Kent is a form of telepathic invisibility. He is really saying "don't notice I'm Superman" when he's wearing the glasses, so no one mentally puts two and two together. No one except for Lois, who I suppose he really wanted her to know on some level.

Now the S-shield "net"? Or the multiple images of Superman that crumble to ice? I am at a loss to explain those away as part of the powerset. I can only assume they were defensive gimmicks of the Fortress itself. Stuff that Superman set up, in addition to altering the molecule chamber, while he waited for Zod, Ursa and Non to arrive.
 
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That isn't what happened. He flew so fast that he flew back in time and thus it seemed as if the earth rotates backwards. He didn't actually stop the earth's rotation by flying around it.

FYI: Both interpretations are equally fanciful and unscientific. You can't go back in time just by going real fast.
 
I loved seeing the superpowered Clark get his own back on the bully when I was a kid, but as a grown up it seems like a massive abuse of his powers.
 
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