Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

[Cyke101]

If you'll notice, I give essentially two different answers in one post separated by the line of asterisks (Tech manual commentaries in one, game physics in another). My video game post was in response to SilentP's post, so there's still two different contexts here. You're free to take and dismiss what you'd like. I myself normally abhor using video game tactics in these sorts of debates (it's a meaningless tactic in a meaningless thread, for one thing. Mechanics change from game to game!), but it was said tongue in cheek.

well, yeah, I never said otherwise.

Um, alright? Otherwise to what? I'm confuzzled now. Your response was custom tailored to the video game issue between SilentP and me.

 

[EmperorTiberius]

If you'll notice, I give essentially two different answers in one post separated by the line of asterisks (Tech manual commentaries in one, game physics in another). My video game post was in response to SilentP's post, so there's still two different contexts here. You're free to take and dismiss what you'd like. I myself normally abhor using video game tactics in these sorts of debates (it's a meaningless tactic in a meaningless thread, for one thing. Mechanics change from game to game!), but it was said tongue in cheek.

well, yeah, I never said otherwise.

Um, alright? Otherwise to what? I'm confuzzled now. Your response was custom tailored to the video game issue between SilentP and me.

If you post it on here, it can't be an issue between you two, everybody else can chip in. I responded to you and him using video games in the argument. I said I don't see the need for that. I know it was tongue in the cheek, I never said you were being serious about it.

 

[Cyke101]

well, yeah, I never said otherwise.

Um, alright? Otherwise to what? I'm confuzzled now. Your response was custom tailored to the video game issue between SilentP and me.

If you post it on here, it can't be an issue between you two, everybody else can chip in.

I never said no one else could chip in, but your answer seemed like a rather serious and literally technical response to a point of foolish and lighthearted fun. Like I said before, you can take or leave whatever.

I said I don't see the need for that. I know it was tongue in the cheek,

Oy vey. This is a message board about a fictional property, there's always a need to be somewhat loose.

I never said you were being serious about it.

Alright. It just seemed to me that you were taking a video game point and then arguing its legitimacy as a debate point (with facts and figures, vs. a completely malleable game) when it was clear there was no actual point to begin with (hence why the second half of my post was tongue in cheek in the first place).

 

[Jono]

How severe was this "list?" The fight is easily available on Youtube, and given all the dodging and maneuvering and "patterns omega" on screen, what the warbird does is really too brief to truly figure out. The Galaxy class that was hit, for example, could be drifting after it was hit, but we see no proof of that. The Defiant appeared to be pushed as well when it was hit by a phaser during its attack run on the moon. While it looks like a list, though, all the other ships were doing it but weren't hit, suggesting they were maintaining formation.

By comparison, we saw a Miranda in the same episode take three times as many attacks. Sure, she was destroyed rather easily, but I find it hard to believe that it takes that many blasts to utterly destroy a Miranda, but only a couple of attacks to disable a giant Warbird, a class we've seen go up against the much more advanced and larger Akiras and Galaxies and Intrepids (in holo-form). Thus, I think the Warbird attack was just really exaggerated.

Even if you believe the Defiant takes this one, I don't think a Warbird will be inoperative in just a couple of hits.

All the dodging and manoeuvring? Seemed to me that apart from the Defiant everyone was using "pattern straight line".

As for the list, it might also be the camera angle making it look worse but it did appear the it was about to somersault much like we saw the Valley Forge do two scenes later. And from this screenshot you can see the damage to the upper forward hull and additional explosions starting to occur in lower areas as well. Talking about the Valley Forge, in the background of that scene (around 5 seconds after the Warbird scene) you can see a Warbird in the background that is clearly disabled and has a slow rotation going on. Might be the same Warbird, though the damage isn't quite right, they both had damage on their upper left hull, though the first one it appeared to be much closer to the forward edge and the second Warbid lacks any damage to the top of its command hull/forward hull, whatever you want to call it.

I do take your point on the exaggeration though as this is a TV show and it's about entertainment rather then sensible military tactics or realism (or as real as you can get with a show set nearly 400 years in the future with spaceships, aliens, ftl travel, etc).

 

[Bisz]

The Romulans are big into intimidation, a grand show of power versus actual power, at least back in the pre-Nemesis days. The D'deridex looks more powerful than it is because it is meant to. I think that a lot of people overestimate its capabilities.

I give the fight to the Defiant.

 

[Broccoli]

Which one is Batman on, and did he have enough time to prepare?