STAR TREK:COUNTDOWN...Should It Be Canonized as Background for Movie?

[cooleddie74]

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I just realized after about two weeks of this thread being up that I misnamed a character in the film and the graphic novels. The second-in-command to Nero isn't named "Teya." That's a member of the Trek BBS. His name is Ayel. Nero and Ayel. Not Teya. Just wanted to correct that before teya came in here and kicked my ass for calling her a bald-headed, tattooed Romulan villain who wears a cape.

 

[M'Sharak]

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I just realized after about two weeks of this thread being up that I misnamed a character in the film and the graphic novels. The second-in-command to Nero isn't named "Teya." That's a member of the Trek BBS. His name is Ayel. Nero and Ayel. Not Teya. Just wanted to correct that before teya came in here and kicked my ass for calling her a bald-headed, tattooed Romulan villain who wears a cape.

That's what I was talking about all the way back at Post #3.

 

[Jeri]

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And Post #10:

Teya will be surprised to hear herself asking Robau what he knows about Ambassador Spock.

You even answered me, eddie!

 

[Captain MAJ]

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^ That's all right, it all makes sense when you look at eddie's avatar...

 

[cooleddie74]

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^
You saying I point at people while in a crack-induced haze? The nerve.

Besides...it's speed.

Back to the COUUNTDOWN discussion! Curious to ask, even those who are detractors of the story and whether or not any of it should ever be deemed canonical...were there any aspects of the comics that you actually liked or even outright admired(aside from the artwork and technical issues)?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

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People can make new versions of that background. A general helping of retconning might help. Personally I think they should keep that Romulus was destroyed by some sort of attack, but not some super duper FTL Death Star supernova.

Except the FTL Death Star supernova was mentioned in the film.

Also, I would never have had it be miners that go back.

Except them being miners was mentioned in the film.

Of course, I wouldnt have made it a supernova to begin with, but thats another matter.

A matter that was mentioned in the film.

 

[Tarek71]

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People can make new versions of that background. A general helping of retconning might help. Personally I think they should keep that Romulus was destroyed by some sort of attack, but not some super duper FTL Death Star supernova.

Except the FTL Death Star supernova was mentioned in the film.

Also, I would never have had it be miners that go back.

Except them being miners was mentioned in the film.

Of course, I wouldnt have made it a supernova to begin with, but thats another matter.

A matter that was mentioned in the film.

Indeed, but here I mean the movie too. I wouldnt have had it be miners, or a supernova to begin with. That is, beginning with the film. Thus the "generous helping of retconning". That would make the romulus destruction story arc no longer consistent with the film, thats true, but I think it would make it a better and more sensible story.

 

[cooleddie74]

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The biggest tragedy about the whole Hobus star nova whether one accepts the COUNTDOWN story as canonical or not is that Romulus no longer exists in the Prime(original)timeline and reality. Billions of Romulans die in 2387 and Starfleet and other Alpha Quadrant powers were almost totally helpless to stop it. With the Romulan Star Empire turned upside down with the loss of the two central homeworlds and countless deaths, this opens up the final decade of the 24th century to a whole new and potentially dangerous shift in the balance of power in this part of the galaxy. Which means if the Prime timeline is ever revisited on film or TV this could open up a whole new world of ideas for political upheaval and conflict.

 

[Mr. Crane]

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I liked the comic story over all, though I didn't quite understand why the Klingons and Worf were included - they didn't seem to have anything to do with the situation, and Nero's attack on them seemed like quite a "detour" from his plan. Or did Ambassador Picard request they intercept the Narada, because Starfleet couldn't get there in time to stop Nero?

I thought Worf's actions were a bit brutal, telling his Klingon warriors to "kill anything that moves" on the Narada. That hardly seems the attitude of a former Starfleet officer, who...according to the latest novels ... served as first officer of the Federation flagship.

I also thought Riker should be the successor as captain of the Enterprise when Picard retires, not Data... just makes more sense, considering the TV series references to Riker one day getting a chance at the "big Chair"...

 

[SalvorHardin]

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I also thought Riker should be the successor as captain of the Enterprise when Picard retires, not Data... just makes more sense, considering the TV series references to Riker one day getting a chance at the "big Chair"...

How does that make sense ? Riker is already captain of the Titan.

As for the Klingons, it's right there in the comic.
The moment they decloak they say "Romulan ship, you are wanted for crimes against the Klingon Empire. You have violated our borders and slaughtered our citizens"

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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I thought Worf's actions were a bit brutal, telling his Klingon warriors to "kill anything that moves" on the Narada. That hardly seems the attitude of a former Starfleet officer, who...according to the latest novels ... served as first officer of the Federation flagship.

I liked that about the comic. Now that Worf is in the Empire, he thinks in imperial rather than "federal" terms. Klingons don't (usually) take prisoners.

I also thought Riker should be the successor as captain of the Enterprise when Picard retires, not Data... just makes more sense, considering the TV series references to Riker one day getting a chance at the "big Chair"...

How does that make sense ? Riker is already captain of the Titan.

Given enough time, he could leave the Titan to command the Enterprise--a higher profile gig.

 

[Mr. Crane]

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I also thought Riker should be the successor as captain of the Enterprise when Picard retires, not Data... just makes more sense, considering the TV series references to Riker one day getting a chance at the "big Chair"...

How does that make sense ? Riker is already captain of the Titan.

As for the Klingons, it's right there in the comic.
The moment they decloak they say "Romulan ship, you are wanted for crimes against the Klingon Empire. You have violated our borders and slaughtered our citizens"

Why would Nero attack the Klingons and get them all pissed off, when it was Vulcan and the Federation he wanted revenge upon? Attacking the Klingons would just get everyone coming down on top of him! Not very smart, strategically...

 

[cooleddie74]

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I also thought Riker should be the successor as captain of the Enterprise when Picard retires, not Data... just makes more sense, considering the TV series references to Riker one day getting a chance at the "big Chair"...

How does that make sense ? Riker is already captain of the Titan.

As for the Klingons, it's right there in the comic.
The moment they decloak they say "Romulan ship, you are wanted for crimes against the Klingon Empire. You have violated our borders and slaughtered our citizens"

Why would Nero attack the Klingons and get them all pissed off, when it was Vulcan and the Federation he wanted revenge upon? Attacking the Klingons would just get everyone coming down on top of him! Not very smart, strategically...

Why do ANYTHING he does after Romulus is destroyed? Out of illogical rage and a wanton desire to inflict pain on those around him. It doesn't have to make sense. The Klingons show up and he lashes out at them. It's not as if the two Empires are friends to begin with, you know. Even during the years of the Dominion War in the 2370s the two powers didn't trust one another. They just joined forces against a common, deadlier foe. Romulans and Klingons have inherently distrusted one another for generations...predating even the Archer and Kirk eras. The brief alliance during the time of TOS seemed more a common-cause effort to share technology in order to one-up and outpace the Federation more than any real bonding.

 

[cooleddie74]

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I also thought Riker should be the successor as captain of the Enterprise when Picard retires, not Data... just makes more sense, considering the TV series references to Riker one day getting a chance at the "big Chair"...

Well, to be fair as early as 2378/79 in the canonical timeline of the Prime Universe Riker was offered and accepted command of the Titan, so even if COUNTDOWN were 100% official it doesn't take place until eight years later give or take. The Titan command happens closer to the end of, say, VOYAGER or the earlier TNG movies than it does the Nero/Hobus supernova stuff. Blame B&B for that instead of lamenting why the comics don't have Riker taking command of the Enterprise-E.

 

[wamdue]

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no thanks. countdown was a bunch of cameos and lame non-science, some of which made it into the film. geordi laforge really didn't have to design the jellyfish. data really didn't have to be captain. worf didn't have to be the klingon commander. it was a parade of who's who from TNG.

I have to agree with that, im only reading a part at the time, and so far ive only read up to Part 3, but so far, whilst the origin of the Jellyfish could always have stood some explaining, the idea that was Geordi who made it, seems a bit unlikely, and then the Klingons so guess who shows up in that, none other than Worf.

im not surprised Riker & Troi dont show up, they are busy with the Titan, no point confusing that area of the Trekverse.

TBH I am only shocked that Beverly Crusher is not seen on one of the USS Pasteur clones.

meanwhile "The resulting explosion will create a unique singularity that will absorb the energy unleashed by a the supernova" , isnt that basically what they did in Time Crash?

then again we should not be surprised by all this TNG ness given the "Afterword" from the authors about how much they love TNG.

That said I agree it does given Neo a backstory & arguably a personality , something he is missing in the movie, so I would like to think that the comic could be canon, if only for that reason.

Also it does say "Offical Movie Prequel" on the back, which tends to suggest it is more canon than say the Titan novels.

 

[Therin of Andor]

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Also it does say "Offical Movie Prequel" on the back, which tends to suggest it is more canon than say the Titan novels.

As opposed those comics which are "Unofficial" movie prequels?

All licensed Star Trek tie-ins are "official". The ones that aren't are merely fanzines. Or unlicensed non fiction works.

 

[wamdue]

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but its wrote as a prequel to the movie, not as just as a new line in the Star Trek books series.

 

[Therin of Andor]

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but its wrote as a prequel to the movie, not as just as a new line in the Star Trek books series.

Many of Pocket's novels have been direct prequels and sequels to movies. eg. "Ex Machina" (TMP sequel), the "Khan" duology (ST II prequel), "To Reign in Hell" (ST II sequel), "The Genesis Wave" trilogy (ST II sequel), "Probe" (ST IV sequel), "The Fearful Summons" (ST VI sequel, by the writer of the film), "Engines of Destiny" ("Generations" sequel), and the nine-part "A Time..." mini-series (between "Insurrection" and "Nemesis"), to name a few.

Thank goodness "The Fearful Summons" wasn't canonized just because Denny Martin Flinn wrote it.

 

[cooleddie74]

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FEDERATION by the Reeves-Stevenses would have made for perfect canon before FIRST CONTACT's release in 1996 set a different WWIII-era life's path for Zefram Cochrane. I always thought that novel(one of the greatest in the entire history of the franchise)would have made for one killer movie. True, the logistics of including both crews from two different periods of history would likely have necessitated an animated feature rather than live-action, but either way the movie would have rocked with that intense, generations-spanning storyline.

 

[Silversmok3]

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If Destiny cant be canon, Countdown cannot be canon.

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