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Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Grading and Discussion

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  • Dumbledore - Excellent

    Votes: 36 33.3%
  • Hermione -Above Average

    Votes: 38 35.2%
  • Muggle - Average

    Votes: 24 22.2%
  • Draco - Below Average

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • Crabbe and Goyle - Poor

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • Total voters
    108
However, i think the lack of a defined villain kind of hurt this movie.

I was feeling the same way at first, but then I got to thinking that by not having Voldemort appear, instead presenting him as this foreboding evil presence (as he appeared in films 1-3 and most of #4), only adds to the already dark tone of HBP. It also saves something for the final chapter (or, in this case, chapters). The sign of any good film, I think, is that it leaves you wanting more.

I've got to agree with Stone_Cold on this, though I think it was less an issue of a defined villain and more an issue of feeling the threat ratcheting up in some coherent way. Sure there are bad guys running about doing EEEeee-villl things - but what's the point? There's no sense of what the bad guys are after, and thus no position for the good guys to take to oppose them.
 
I have a problem with this whole freeking series... (dont get me wrong) I throughly enjoyed it... but when I realized that the entire sixth book was about peoples memories....

WHY THE FREEKIN HE*LL... didn't they extract the memories from harry when he was younger and examine them... INSTEAD THEY REFUSED TO BELIEVE HIM.... when they could have looked and seen the TRUTH...

Shhhh....pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain or the HUGE GAPING PLOTHOLE right in front of you...:techman:

We already explained why extracting a memory from Harry wouldn't work.
 
I saw it last night. It felt very underwhelming and disjointed; Snape's characterization was really lacking, and the final scene featuring Dumbledore, Snape and the Death Eaters was extremely lackluster. The best parts of the film were the parts with Harry, Ron and Hermione -- really great chemistry, and they've really brought the three to life.
I agree with your post here. I think I was most disappointed in the actress playing Ginny. She's lovely, but seemed far too wooden in this film. I was really looking forward to seeing her relationship with Harry blossoming, but I think the only place it seemed to work was when she charged after him into the field at the Weasley's.
 
I have a problem with this whole freeking series... (dont get me wrong) I throughly enjoyed it... but when I realized that the entire sixth book was about peoples memories....

WHY THE FREEKIN HE*LL... didn't they extract the memories from harry when he was younger and examine them... INSTEAD THEY REFUSED TO BELIEVE HIM.... when they could have looked and seen the TRUTH...

Shhhh....pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain or the HUGE GAPING PLOTHOLE right in front of you...:techman:

We already explained why extracting a memory from Harry wouldn't work.

unacceptable... as any BULLY PULPIT TREK PREACHER would tell you....

canon violation.... it's possible in the series... you can not explain it away outside of the series...
 
I thought it was okay, but the worst one since the first two. I agree with those who found it slowly paced and awkwardly plotted. The production and acting was fine, but it did just feel like people doing stuff until Dumbledore dies and the idea of Horcruxes is revealed. Maybe it'll be better when we can watch all 8 movies in a row, but even then I don't think it would quite stand on its own.

Oh, and my girlfriend pointed this out and I agreed with her: Why the big deal about Draco getting the Deatheaters into Hogwarts? In the book it makes sense, what with smuggling soliders in for the battle and all, but there was no battle in the movie. They go upstairs, egg Draco on to kill Dumbledore, break some glass in the banquet hall and burn down Hagrid's house. I mean, did he really need to spend the entire school year working out a system to smuggle Deatheaters in if that's all they were planning to do?
 
Oh, and my girlfriend pointed this out and I agreed with her: Why the big deal about Draco getting the Deatheaters into Hogwarts? In the book it makes sense, what with smuggling soliders in for the battle and all, but there was no battle in the movie. They go upstairs, egg Draco on to kill Dumbledore, break some glass in the banquet hall and burn down Hagrid's house. I mean, did he really need to spend the entire school year working out a system to smuggle Deatheaters in if that's all they were planning to do?

Well, in doing what he did, Draco did manage to help the Death Eaters bring chaos to where there formerly was order (namely, Hogwarts). Otherwise, I see where you're coming from on this.
 
Again, I haven't read the books so this is based on seeing the movie alone and the entertainment value for said movie:

I thought it was a little disappointing. I felt there was too much relationship for my liking and the movie could have been cut down. After Order of the Pheonix, we had this cliffhanger about the coming of the Dark Lord, and it felt like for 2 hours all that momentum was lost. Other than a few scenes I really only cared about the last half hour and it just felt like watching an entirely different movie. Also, the title is called the Half Blood Prince, but other than finding out who that was, we really didn't find out why. Does said prince only have half blood in him? Is it a metaphor for said prince to turn at the right moment, kind of being the "on the fence" type until said time arrives? Yeah these are silly questions, but I didn't really get the whole symbolism of that.

With that being said, I still love the cast, especially Emma Watson and Alan Rickman. Herminie has always been my favorite character and Rickman is an awesome actor. There was one scene where Ron was in the hospital and there is Snape and the look Snape gives that is so different than anyone elses was absolute gold. :guffaw:

I am looking forward to the final two movies in the hope that unlike this one, the next two can ride what we learned and stick with it without unnecessary interuptions for the sake of making the film a comedy. There are some good comedic moments but it's time to wrap it up.

One other thing. We saw Voldemort (The dark lord, not the kid, even though the backstory on him was pretty good) in the last movie. The same issue is here that I had with Sauramon in Lord of the Rings. Why didn't we actually see him in this movie.
 
Also, the title is called the Half Blood Prince, but other than finding out who that was, we really didn't find out why. Does said prince only have half blood in him? Is it a metaphor for said prince to turn at the right moment, kind of being the "on the fence" type until said time arrives? Yeah these are silly questions, but I didn't really get the whole symbolism of that.
My mom explained to me what "half-blood Prince" actually refers to after seeing the movie, and I thought it was really lame.
 
Shhhh....pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain or the HUGE GAPING PLOTHOLE right in front of you...:techman:

We already explained why extracting a memory from Harry wouldn't work.

unacceptable... as any BULLY PULPIT TREK PREACHER would tell you....

canon violation.... it's possible in the series... you can not explain it away outside of the series...

But also in canon is the fact that memories can be altered.
 
We already explained why extracting a memory from Harry wouldn't work.

unacceptable... as any BULLY PULPIT TREK PREACHER would tell you....

canon violation.... it's possible in the series... you can not explain it away outside of the series...

But also in canon is the fact that memories can be altered.

yeah... I'd certainly give a inexperienced 13/14 year old the benefit of the doubt. :rolleyes: he certainly had slughorn's experience when it comes to memories doesn't he. Give harry the number of years slughorn had... :rolleyes:
 
Agreed, the whole "people don't believe Voldy's back" was a lame plot hole, but it was an OotP plot hole. As or HBP, if, as Dumby says, finding out Slughorn's secret is a matter of life and death for a number of people, can he really not think of a better plan than getting Harry to tell him, eventually, maybe? He could offer Slughorn money, tenure... or he could say "look, zitface, I'm getting your knowledge if I have to have Snape truth-potion it out of you, so take the money while it's still on the table." Yet another instance, it seems, of Rowling forcing Harry into the center of everything, story be darned.
 
unacceptable... as any BULLY PULPIT TREK PREACHER would tell you....

canon violation.... it's possible in the series... you can not explain it away outside of the series...

But also in canon is the fact that memories can be altered.

yeah... I'd certainly give a inexperienced 13/14 year old the benefit of the doubt. :rolleyes: he certainly had slughorn's experience when it comes to memories doesn't he. Give harry the number of years slughorn had... :rolleyes:

Hermoine and Dumbledore. Remember that Fudge didn't trust Dumbledore and didn't believe him at all. He could argue that Dumbledore altered the memories of Harry Potter.
 
Saw it tonight -- as with the other Potter films, I enjoyed it for the most part, but it was far from perfect.

There were definitely some pacing and plotting issues -- it felt a little more schizo than some of the other movies, with the first two-thirds of the movie focusing on the characters and their personal lives (romantic entanglements, extracurricular activities, etc.), with all the Voldemort/Death Eater stuff taking a back seat. Then towards the end, it seemed like all the aforementioned personal life aspects were completely dropped by the wayside to focus on the Horcruxes, Draco and the Death Eaters, Dumbledore and Harry's quest, etc.

I haven't read the book, but it seemed obvious that a lot of stuff had been cut out (like, as has been said, the whole "Half-Blood Prince" aspect of the title -- okay, so it's Snape. And...?) If ever another film series could've benefitted from a LOTR-style extended edition on the DVDs, it's this one. I'm glad they're splitting Deathly Hallows into two films, as it definitely felt like a number of things weren't given the proper amount of attention this time.

So, Harry and Ginny... since when does he have any interest in her romantically? Yeah, it's obvious she's always had a crush on him, but he barely ever seemed to notice her before. Now apparently Hermione can "see the way he looks at her" -- where's this coming from? As I understand it, this becomes more than a simple crush, so I think their relationship could've used more development (plus I would've loved to have seen Ron's reaction upon finding out about his best friend and his sister -- instead, we just get told at the end, again by Hermione, that Ron is "okay with it"). To me, it's just coming across as: Harry's horny, notices that his pal's sister is kinda cute, and figures, "Hey, why not?" Luna might have made more sense as a love interest (plus, Luna's a hoot... I adore her :)). I'm not saying Harry and Ginny don't work at all --they're somewhat cute together-- but I think we needed to see more of a natural progression in their relationship, and some indication of a mutual interest in the previous films would've probably helped.

Ron and Hermione's complicated relationship was okay, actually kind of amusing and endearing at times, although Hermione was playing her feelings for him much less close-to-the-vest than usual. Of course, the typically clueless Ron has no idea. :lol: But he does have a thing for her too, right? I guess he just assumes it'll never happen, hence his involvement with Lavender. Oh yeah, and on the subject of Miss Brown... did Ron tap that? :vulcan:

As I said, though, these relationships seemed to be almost completely ignored by the end -- granted, a lot of serious shit had happened, but if Ginny is as important to Harry as we're supposed to believe, couldn't we have had at least one last scene between them near the end (more than just her hugging him over Dumbledore's body, that is)? And what is the status of Ron and Hermione's relationship? Are they still just friends? Or have they inched their way closer to romance?

I did enjoy the film, though. I thought it looked great, and the acting was pretty solid. As always, I enjoy seeing these characters and watching them interact with each other on the screen. Things I enjoyed: Ron becoming a quidditch star, Hermione's frustrations with him being oblivious (and her tearful moment when he hooks up with Lavender -- I thought Watson was great there), Draco's conflict over being assigned to kill Dumbledore, Slughorn's eccentricities... and other stuff. There was definitely a few things that needed more focus (i.e. Snape -- what does it mean that he's "the Half-Blood Prince"? What more is there to his loyalties and his killing Dumbledore? And the Death Eaters -- what exactly was their plan? Just to kill Dumbledore, and I guess stir up some trouble and further the atmosphere of dread?). I know some of the questions in this film will be answered in TDH, I just hope the pay-off is decent.

I expect it will be though. As I've stated, I've more-or-less enjoyed all the Harry Potter films --I think they're entertaining, finely-crafted movies with appealing characters and creations-- and this one was no exception. I'd say Prisoner of Azkaban is still my favourite, but this one certainly isn't bad. I look forward to The Deathly Hallows. :)
 
I thought it was OK. It was a fun adventure film, I loved the visuals and all that but the end kept it from a being a good or great film for me. I too thought Dumbledore's death was underwhelming. I think that was supposed to be the big moment in the film and it just did not feel like it.

I too would have liked to see more of the half blood prince story. That also nocked it down a notch for me.
 
Snape is the Half-Blood Prince by way of his father being a Muggle and his mother being a pureblood with the maiden name of Prince.

I'll admit I was kinda surprised they left the explanation as to HOW Snape is the HBP out of the movie... Perhaps it was filmed and just left out? I guess we'll see when the DVD comes out...

Joy
 
Snape is the Half-Blood Prince by way of his father being a Muggle and his mother being a pureblood with the maiden name of Prince.
It's such a lame explanation! I mean, unless there's some super awesome hidden backstory about Snape's parents, I just don't see the point.
 
Snape is the Half-Blood Prince by way of his father being a Muggle and his mother being a pureblood with the maiden name of Prince.

I'll admit I was kinda surprised they left the explanation as to HOW Snape is the HBP out of the movie... Perhaps it was filmed and just left out? I guess we'll see when the DVD comes out...

Joy

See, this being left out of the movie is inexcusible. I don't care if it's important or not, it explains the freaking title of the movie. I mean This movie could have easily been called Harry Potter and the Puberty Years and it probably would have had more meaning in terms of the movie itself.
 
Snape is the Half-Blood Prince by way of his father being a Muggle and his mother being a pureblood with the maiden name of Prince.
It's such a lame explanation! I mean, unless there's some super awesome hidden backstory about Snape's parents, I just don't see the point.
It's more important in the books, because it connects Snape, Harry and Lord Voldemort in that they're all Half-Bloods (Harry had a muggleborn mother, Voldemort a muggle father, Snape a muggle mother). Thematically, thats important to the books.

But they're also connected in another way omitted from the translation of HBP from book to film.

While working as a Death Eater, Snape actually overheard part of the Prophecy from OotP as it was being foretold. He relayed what he heard to Voldemort, which led to him going after Harry and killing his parents, making Snape responsible for their deaths. Harry learns this towards the end of HBP, just before he and Dumbledore go to the cave.
 
Snape is the Half-Blood Prince by way of his father being a Muggle and his mother being a pureblood with the maiden name of Prince.
It's such a lame explanation! I mean, unless there's some super awesome hidden backstory about Snape's parents, I just don't see the point.
It's more important in the books, because it connects Snape, Harry and Lord Voldemort in that they're all Half-Bloods (Harry had a muggleborn mother, Voldemort a muggle father, Snape a muggle mother). Thematically, thats important to the books.
Exactly (except Snape's father was the Muggle, not his mother). In the context of the books it's not the least bit "lame" that Snape turns out to be a half-blood. The movie completely blew off the actual half-blood prince part of the book and without any context whatsoever Snape's announcement that he's the "half-blood Prince" falls pretty flat.

Really, the movies leave out so much of what makes the books so intriguing that it's almost as though they're in a parallel universe to the books. The movies have characters with the same names who do similar things to the book characters, but so much of their lives, backgrounds and what makes them tick is missing that the movies - while mostly entertaining and enjoyable - aren't a patch on the books. To each their own, however.
 
Yeah, 'cause really, up 'til the end of HBP, a majority of fans assumed Snape was pureblood because of his being a Death Eater and being chummy with Lucius. Apparently, his skills were such that they kinda ignored the fact that he was half-blood (well, that and the fact that it'd be rather hypocritical for them not to include him in their circle for being half-blooded when Voldy himself is).

I am kinda disappointed about them leaving the information about the prophecy out of the movies... I dunno if it's because Thompson didn't want to return as Trelawney so they figured they'd just cut the scene altogether or what... *shrugs*

Even though I do still feel like Movie!Harry has sufficient anger and hatred toward Snape (especially with them changing it in HBP to where he actually trusts Snape for just that split second, then Snape crushes that trust a moment later), keeping the info about the prophecy would have served to make Harry even MORE bent on getting his revenge on Snape.

Joy
 
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