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Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Grading and Discussion

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  • Dumbledore - Excellent

    Votes: 36 33.3%
  • Hermione -Above Average

    Votes: 38 35.2%
  • Muggle - Average

    Votes: 24 22.2%
  • Draco - Below Average

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • Crabbe and Goyle - Poor

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • Total voters
    108
However, i think the lack of a defined villain kind of hurt this movie.

I was feeling the same way at first, but then I got to thinking that by not having Voldemort appear, instead presenting him as this foreboding evil presence (as he appeared in films 1-3 and most of #4), only adds to the already dark tone of HBP. It also saves something for the final chapter (or, in this case, chapters). The sign of any good film, I think, is that it leaves you wanting more.
 
:confused:Sad to say, but I was a bit disappointed.
-The film felt disjointed to me. I felt like I was watching one chapter after another, not a coherent story building to what should have been a heartbreaking ending.

-Too much of Ron/Pink Ribbon Girl/Hermione/Harry/Ginny rom-com hijinks. It seems too bad that that material was deemed essential to keep in the movie, while the storyline that GAVE THE BOOK IT'S TITLE was completely dropped. In the end, Snape's relationship with Harry, his memories of Lily, and the loss of Dumbledore matter a lot more than the Hogwarts dating scene.

So while the film looked great, and seeing the characters again was good, the emphasis placed on some plot elements at the expense of others dragged my grade down to Average.
 
No, Bill and Fleur's wedding is definitely in the next movie.

I'm curious how you know this.
Read about it a few weeks ago on Leaky. Apparently somebody from the crew left some paperwork behind in a forest where they'd been filming on location. A kid found it and shared it with the local newspaper. The paperwork had notations on it about the "Weasley Wedding". In addition to that, Bill Weasley has been cast; and the Shell Cottage set has been built. And it appears that Clemece Poesey is returning, too.

That's great news. :) I was bummed they were left out of the sixth film.
 
The latest box office results, if anyone's interested: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince has earned $159,662,000 after five days in release. Pretty impressive, but by comparison, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen earned $200,077,255 after the same amount of time. .

I believe Transformers II debuted on more screens ...

--Ted
Transformers had the IMAX screens, which doubtless added a bit; nevertheless, that sort of property probably has more blockbuster appeal to young men (HBP isn't action-heavy).

Huge debut, nonetheless; they broke the record for debuts in the overseas box office (where Harry's films usually make about 70% of their money).
 
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Indeed. $237,000,000 overseas, for a worldwide total of $396,662,000 so far.

As for the number of screens, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince opened on Wednesday on 4,275, and on Friday that increased to 4,325. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen debuted on 4,234 screens; I'm not sure how many were IMAX, but nevertheless it does appear to have actually opened on fewer screens than Harry Potter, though just barely.
 
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Indeed. $237,000,000 overseas, for a worldwide total of $396,662,000 so far.

As for the number of screens, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince opened on Wednesday on 4,275, and on Friday that increased to 4,325. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen debuted on 4,234 screens; I'm not sure how many were IMAX, but nevertheless it does appear to have actually opened on fewer screens than Harry Potter, though just barely.

Well at first, Transformers had a great deal of IMAX screens and Harry Potter only had three. That would certainly make a noticeable difference. I thought TF had a month-long deal with IMAX?
 
It really felt odd that they cut out so much of the mystery regarding the Half-Blood Prince, however. Sure, in the book, there wasn't a lot there, either, but in the movie it was only mentioned offhand in a couple of scenes, and then suddenly Snape declares to Harry that he is the Half-Blood Prince, without any explanation as to why, or as to how he knew Harry was investigating that particular mystery.

He knew Harry had the book because Harry used a spell from it. Nevertheless, the movie never explains what the half-blood prince actually is, so the revelation feels kind of hollow.

Honestly, as somebody who abandoned the books after the third installment, I found this one awfully slow, especially for the first hour.

Was Rowling as unsubtle as the movie in foreshadowing Dumbeldore's death and what I'm sure will happen to Snape in the next film (a Google search tells me I'm right)?

Average.
 
Was Rowling as unsubtle as the movie in foreshadowing Dumbeldore's death and what I'm sure will happen to Snape in the next film (a Google search tells me I'm right)?
That depends on what exactly you've read about Snape.

Dumbledore dying had been coming for a long time. It's the old "father standing in the way of his child's development"-issue.
He had to die in order for Harry to finally take up responsibility.
 
When I talk about Snape, I refer to him

Obviously having his true loyalties on the side of the Wizards against Voldermort. It's made blatantly clear more than once in the film.
 
When I talk about Snape, I refer to him

Obviously having his true loyalties on the side of the Wizards against Voldermort. It's made blatantly clear more than once in the film.
Back when I read the books, I never doubted that anyway. Especially not after we got the first implications about his feelings for Lilly in OotP.
 
I saw it last night. It felt very underwhelming and disjointed; Snape's characterization was really lacking, and the final scene featuring Dumbledore, Snape and the Death Eaters was extremely lackluster. The best parts of the film were the parts with Harry, Ron and Hermione -- really great chemistry, and they've really brought the three to life.
 
The best parts of the film were the parts with Harry, Ron and Hermione -- really great chemistry, and they've really brought the three to life.

That's been the best part of all the HP movies for me, despite my ignorance in regards to the books. It's also partly why Goblet of Fire, where that interaction seemed the weakest, is my least favorite HP movie.
 
I have a problem with this whole freeking series... (dont get me wrong) I throughly enjoyed it... but when I realized that the entire sixth book was about peoples memories....

WHY THE FREEKIN HE*LL... didn't they extract the memories from harry when he was younger and examine them... INSTEAD THEY REFUSED TO BELIEVE HIM.... when they could have looked and seen the TRUTH...
 
Maybe you aren't allowed to do memory stuff on a minor. Yeah maybe that's it. Sure why not?
 
^^True, but Dumbeldore seemed to be able to tell when a memory had been tampered with in the film.
 
But it wasn't Dumbledore, Snape, or anyone else we've seen messing with memory technology who didn't believe Harry. And if Fudge was so certain he was right despite all the evidence before him, a conjured up memory wasn't going to help.


As to the film, I have some very bizarrely mixed feelings. Overall, I enjoyed it quite a bit. But given that the 6th book is my favourite by a mile, this film fell short of the standard set by the 5th, imho. The main issue, as others have stated, was that the story of the book seemed to be laid aside to facilitate too much focus on the teen-romance parts. Not that I dislike these parts of the story, and in fact I think they did the scenes well in the film, particularly the bit where Harry comforts Hermione on the stairs. It's just that, if time is that limited and you have to cut so much, why cut the whole point of the book - the Voldemort backstory flashbacks? We only get one memory other than the important Slughorn one, and as such it plays too much like a token Superhero origin flashback, where we see a single defining event and then fill in the blanks in our head. Adult Voldemort's absence is barely noticeable in the book because younger Tom Riddle is so ever-present. But in the film, we see so little of him in any guise that he is conspicuous by his absence.
In short, the film suffered more acutely than the previous ones from a disease they nonetheless shared - a fairly bizarre sense of what to keep and what to leave out from the source text. Was that whole sequence on the train really that vital? With that time, we could have had another entire Riddle flashback.
I just found myself shaking my head afterwards at the creative choices that had been made with regard to pick and chosing material from the book.

Having said all that, what they did choose to do, they did very well indeed. The cast have matured into a coherent, interesting group of actors with some real talent in many quarters. Malfoy has improved leaps and bounds from his early days, but again Snape stole the show when it came to the 'bad guys'. The core three actors have wonderful chemistry together, and I was particularly impressed with Emma Watson's improvement over the previous films. Always, imho, the strongest actor of the three, Rupert Grint puts in a very solid performance indeed, and carries off all the humour effortlessly.

The 'support cast' of the film series barely make an appearance, Bonnie Wright's increasingly faultless Ginny aside, and while this is a shame, it did bring a much better sense of isolation for the core characters which is in some ways an improvement over the book. Often in the written story, it was hard to imagine the 'us against the world' feeling pre book 7 because we simply knew so many Order types and so few Death Eaters that Voldemort couldn't help but feel outnumbered. In the film, however, the destruction of the Burrow and Hagrid's hut, along with the very short screen time or total absence of many Order members (Mad Eye Moody, for example, doesn't even get an appearance), lead to a real sense of the characters' world collapsing around them.

Overall, I'd rate it above average. What is in the film is excellent-rated stuff, but there are too many sins of omission for me to grant the film an overall excellent.
 
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But it wasn't Dumbledore, Snape, or anyone else we've seen messing with memory technology who didn't believe Harry. And if Fudge was so certain he was right despite all the evidence before him, a conjured up memory wasn't going to help.

He would've believed it was a conspiracy.

Now if they used the truth serum...then that might be something.
 
I have a problem with this whole freeking series... (dont get me wrong) I throughly enjoyed it... but when I realized that the entire sixth book was about peoples memories....

WHY THE FREEKIN HE*LL... didn't they extract the memories from harry when he was younger and examine them... INSTEAD THEY REFUSED TO BELIEVE HIM.... when they could have looked and seen the TRUTH...

Shhhh....pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain or the HUGE GAPING PLOTHOLE right in front of you...:techman:
 
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