Kirk & the Orion cadet- was it appropriate? Indecent? Cool?

[barnaclelapse]

I didn't think it was the least bit graphic.

I just didn't care, to be quite honest. It had a tiny little characterization to make, it made it and the movie went on.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

If Gaila was assigned to the Enterprise, she's probably not dead.

I thought she was assigned to another ship. Could be remembering it wrong.

 

[Jeri]

Gaila was not assigned a ship on screen.

 

[Chrisisall]

It used to be standard to see bare breasts in PG rated movies. Bare breasts, I tell you!

When I was a wee laddie, I went to see a PG movie called Vanishing Point, and WOOHOO was there boobies in that one. A totally naked girl riding a motor-scooter even!

Over the years they have slurred the meaning of the label "PG."

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Gaila appears to have been assigned to the Farragut - her reaction when she turned to Uhura suggested that she was pleased to be assigned with her roomie.

Wants me some Gaila/Uhura slash, I does...

 

[trampledamage]

Gaila appears to have been assigned to the Farragut - her reaction when she turned to Uhura suggested that she was pleased to be assigned with her roomie.

Or that she's on the flagship of the fleet

 

[ShimmeringFacet]

I didn't think it was the least bit graphic.

I just didn't care, to be quite honest. It had a tiny little characterization to make, it made it and the movie went on.

Yep, pretty much my view as well.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Gaila appears to have been assigned to the Farragut - her reaction when she turned to Uhura suggested that she was pleased to be assigned with her roomie.

Or that she's on the flagship of the fleet

Nah, her reaction, however one interprets it, is immediately in response to the announcement of Uhura's posting to the Farragut - as is Uhura's less enthusiastic reaction.

 

[Jeri]

Gaila's reaction occurs after the officer dismisses them to their first mission. Analogous would be a cap in the air at graduation.

 

[Maxum]

The scene wasn't indecent, as such, it just showed how much of a jerk Kirk was ("That is so weird...") and how he was just using Gaila for his own ends. Obviously he didn't really care about her.

LOL! I don't think Gaila was in love with Kirk either. The whole reason she wanted Kirk under the bed was because she promised Uhura she would stop bringing guys back to the room, and I'm sure she's used her share of men. I don't think her "I think I love you" to Kirk was real in any fashion. She certainly didn't seem heartbroken over leaving Kirk and moving on when she was assigned her new ship.

I get the feeling that Kirk is a loveable guy and most women who get involved with him know that he's not going to commit to them (the smart ones anyway).

Seriously, it was a mildly racy scene in a PG-rated movie. Seemed perfectly appropriate to me.

Since when was Star Trek supposed to be squeaky clean?

I thought they did the scene perfectly, especially since children were in the theater. There was just enough flesh for adults, but the intimacy immediately ended and switched over to a flirty banter, then humor. I was also very happy that they didn't have Uhura taking off her bra. I was waiting for that, and I am very happy they didn't go there. I'm tired of giving the bare breast moment to adolescent males. There are plenty of dumb comedies out there that can satisfy that urge.

Any scene that gets Captain Fine down to his underwear gets my approval!

Same here!

(And such doucebaggery is implicitly present earlier in the film but not in the way most fans have seized upon. Notice something about the scene where Kirk first meets Uhura.

I loved his scene with Uhura. They had a sexy chemistry, and she realized that he was hitting on her just to hit on her. Uhura knew that he wasn't a threat nor was he disrespectful. Like she told the four guys who came over, she can handle him. Uhura even smiled at Kirk when he came onto the shuttle. He's a tremendous flirt, and Uhura knows it.

That shipyard was dedicated to George Kirk--that's the reason it was in his hometown and the bar salt shakers looked like the Kelvin.

I read the book, and the shipyard had nothing to do with George Kirk. The reason the shipyard was built in Iowa was because if anything blew while constructing the ships, it was so far in the middle of nowhere that they felt no one would get hurt.

I get the sneaking suspicion that this Jim Kirk is not above trading on his father's legend for some wide-eyed cadet poon-tang from time to time.)

I don't get that impression AT ALL. In fact, I think Kirk feels he will never be able to live up to his father's legend, and it's also why any mention of his father's name generallly elicits an emotional response from Kirk. I don't think Kirk will ever trade on his father's name.

 

[Chrisisall]

In fact, I think Kirk feels he will never be able to live up to his father's legend, and it's also why any mention of his father's name generallly elicits an emotional response from Kirk. I don't think Kirk will ever trade on his father's name.

Good call, M.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So why not have her in on it, all I'm sayin'.

Anyway, who cares? She's dead.

Never for such riduiculously low stakes. It's one thing when the girl you're using is also your explicit adversary (Deela, Kelinda) or the problem you're trying to resolve is the possibly un-punished murder of several family members and the possible murders of the sole remaing eyewitnesses(Lenore), another thing when--what, exactly, was Kirk's big motive here? To "pass" a test that's not designed to be passed? Again, douchebaggery, plain and simple.

EDIT: It's almost as if [SPOILER ALERT! ] you were to compare the shooting of Old Yeller to the actions of Michael Vick.

Hey all I'm saying is he's a user. It had to start somewhere. That he's channeling it for good instead of evil is commendable (I guess). The stakes, well thats something different. Is there a good way to cheat? And what was his purpose in TWOK? "I dont like to lose."
Kirk is a douche. That the targets of his douchebaggery tends to be pompous bureaucrats (Barris, Ferris and Fox) takes the edge off, but when its a qualified Captain (Will Decker) and even his friends are calling him on it, well its harder to justify.

Wait, what was that about Ol' Yeller?????

No, Kirk can be an asshole when he's locked into obsessive mode, as we saw with Decker. Not quite the same as douche.

And the Ol' Yeller/Michael Vick thing means simply this: in the end, a dead dog is a dead dog, one could argue, and a used girl is a used girl. I'm simply saying that the circumstances surrounding the killing and/or using makes all the difference.

I guess asshole vs douche is matter of opinion. I'm sure when Decker was alone either term could have crossed his mind. Probably a few of his crew thought the same.

Yeah, I got the Ol' Yeller/Vick reference. I was trying to make a joke. Like I didn't know the poor dog was put down at the end of the movie. Ah well, if you have to explain it...... >>><<<<

 

[Chrisisall]

Yeah, I got the Ol' Yeller/Vick reference. I was trying to make a joke. Like I didn't know the poor dog was put down at the end of the movie.

I HATED that gorram piece of manipulative crap movie (book)!
DEATH TO ZAIONS, er, I mean, the writers/producers!

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Yeah, I got the Ol' Yeller/Vick reference. I was trying to make a joke. Like I didn't know the poor dog was put down at the end of the movie. Ah well, if you have to explain it...... >>><<<<

Sorry, dude. I can be pretty literal-minded sometimes.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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That shipyard was dedicated to George Kirk--that's the reason it was in his hometown and the bar salt shakers looked like the Kelvin.

I read the book, and the shipyard had nothing to do with George Kirk. The reason the shipyard was built in Iowa was because if anything blew while constructing the ships, it was so far in the middle of nowhere that they felt no one would get hurt.

I get the sneaking suspicion that this Jim Kirk is not above trading on his father's legend for some wide-eyed cadet poon-tang from time to time.)

I don't get that impression AT ALL. In fact, I think Kirk feels he will never be able to live up to his father's legend, and it's also why any mention of his father's name generallly elicits an emotional response from Kirk. I don't think Kirk will ever trade on his father's name.

I think I got my info from an interview with the writers. I'll look for it.

 

[Mach5]

My ten year old son closed his eyes

He was probably just embarrassed because you were there...

BTW, whats all this talk about impropriety, indecency and stuff...

What is this, middle ages?

 

[startrekrcks]

I thought she was all right

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

My ten year old son closed his eyes

He was probably just embarrassed because you were there...

BTW, whats all this talk about impropriety, indecency and stuff...

What is this, middle ages?

Seriously. Most movies have more tits than Star Trek.

 

[AJBryant]

Hell, they were only necking, too.

In a TOS episode, we actually see Kirk sitting on his bed pulling his boots back on while the Lady of the Episode stands in front of his mirror and adjusts her hair. Now *THAT* was something. They actually DID it!

 

[Rackon]

Y'know, I read in an interview with the screenwriters about the Riverside Shipyards being named for George Kirk. (And yes, I've read the novelization too.) I think it may have been Orci that made the statement.

Just sayin'.

Nothing in the movie suggests to me that James T Kirk would rtade on his father's name.