The "Bad Wolf"?

[Technobuilder]

I was rewatching "Tooth & Claw" and at a certain point it was mentioned that Rose had a little bit of the wolf in her... or something very similar, and it got me wondering.

If Rose is the "Bad Wolf" a Human with the power of a God (as referenced by the Doctor) who's to say in her albeit brief stint as a deity she didn't "see the whole of space, time, creation, etc. and do some other neat tricks than just eliminating the immediate Dalek threat and creating the "Face of Boe"?

I was willing to let it drop, but then I noticed it's referenced in Series 2 fairly early on, and I was just wondering if anyone can recall if anything ever came of it, (was supposed to... but got cut) or whatever?

 

[Guy Gardener]

If they still had access to Billie, you could be sure that badwolf stuff would be popping up all the time, y'know like when Hollie on Red Dwarf got an IQ of 12 thousand but reduced her life span to about 4 minutes... In the books at least, she set up a load of stuff to play out while she was off line.

Looky below

Blair Waldorf is an anagram of "Bad Wolf r liar".

 

[wamdue]

ok Rose is not the BadWolf the BadWolf is a combination of Rose & the TARDIS, and its very possible the effects of her brief time as the BadWolf will show up again in the future.

the big problem is with the whole "I can see the whole of time" but cant stop myself getting lost in an alt reality, if Rose could truly see the future, would she as the BadWolf not do something to stop that?

 

[Shazam!]

The Bad Wolf stuff is something best left alone. It was kinda cool at the time, but makes very little sense and falls apart under the merest scrutiny.

 

[Anwar]

Why exactly did they choose the name "Bad Wolf" in the first place? How does "Bad Wolf" = "Rose ex Machina"?

 

[Starkers]

Why exactly did they choose the name "Bad Wolf" in the first place? How does "Bad Wolf" = "Rose ex Machina"?

I guess because it sounds threatening, nowhere near as benign as it turned out to be. Never a big fan myself, even at the time I thought it was somewhat silly. If Rose scattering the letters through time had helped them reach the point where she became Bad Wolf it would have been cool, but it didn't, having Bad Wolf turn up in every episode served no purpose at all for the story.

 

[Stevil2001]

Russell has said that the first scripted "Bad Wolf" moment was the kid graffitiing the TARDIS in "Aliens of London", which was just supposed to be a random incident, but he liked the moment and ended up deciding to connect it to what he was calling the "Time Goddess" story that would pop up at the end of the season, which is when he went back and filled in references in earlier episodes.

 

[Blamo]

I'd say the Bad Wolf arc was made up as they went along, with very little thought put into. The revelation at the end of the first series was pretty lame, with the occurances of Bad Wolf being their too remind Rose that the Doctor needed to be saved... Even though a few occured when she wasn't even present.

Personally I though the "arc" was rubbish, especially how it was played out in the last episode. It was very Rose though.

As for Rose as Bad Wolf, I'd say a remnant of it appeared in "Turn Left" both in knowing more about the TARDIS (sorry, but there's no way normal Rose could have done that), time travel and the new appearances of the phrase "Bad Wolf".

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm trying to imagine the Cult of Skaro singing "Who's afraid of the big Bad wolf?"

 

[David cgc]

As for Rose as Bad Wolf, I'd say a remnant of it appeared in "Turn Left" both in knowing more about the TARDIS (sorry, but there's no way normal Rose could have done that), time travel and the new appearances of the phrase "Bad Wolf".

There was also "Love and Monsters," where the "Bad Wolf Virus" was said to have erased all of Torchwoods pictures of Rose (to explain how the Doctor could bluff Jackie through in her place in the season finale). The writers/producers specifically said it was just one of the many, many random acts of Godhood the Bad Wolf did during her short life. Indeed, we can probably chalk up anything that's just a little too convenient or lucky to the intervention of Bad Wolf.

 

[Technobuilder]

So the answer is maybe...

Hmm, at least it's got some story possibilities then.


I wonder if Human Rose Post-Bad Wolf/Time Goddess, retained any latent abilities, minor psychic talents? Some sort of Temporal-Kinesthetic sense maybe?

 

[Roshi]

The Cult of Sarko worship little men...

 

[Anwar]

Indeed, we can probably chalk up anything that's just a little too convenient or lucky to the intervention of Bad Wolf.

Great, they used literal Deus ex Machina to justify any silly bit of writing...

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Indeed, we can probably chalk up anything that's just a little too convenient or lucky to the intervention of Bad Wolf.

Great, they used literal Deus ex Machina to justify any silly bit of writing...

As if silliness had to be justified.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What happened in Turn left was part of the plan, since she was able to mark the briding of universes between badwolf bays which means that she was logging her future travels into any number of universes.

In fact since what happened couldn't have happened without turn left, the time goddess might have even be the one who set up Donna.

 

[Technobuilder]

^Which means....

The last few specials just might leave Donna Noble an out.

Possible.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

Rose saw what happened when you try to change how the time line is supposed to go in "Father's Day". I imagine her Bad Wolf self wouldn't have done anything to change how things played out but she probably took note of the things she would be forced to play a part in -- like the "Left Turn/The Stolen Earth/Journey's End" stuff.

I wonder, though; how much of her "Bad Wolf" time does she remember? If being exposed to the time vortex is that hard on the human brain and she said she could see all of time then it makes me wonder if she didn't forget 98% of what she saw or learned during that experience. That, along with the Don't-Change-History-You-Stupid-Ape-Law might explain why she didn't see her dimensional exile coming and why she didn't try to stop stuff.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

ok Rose is not the BadWolf the BadWolf is a combination of Rose & the TARDIS, and its very possible the effects of her brief time as the BadWolf will show up again in the future.

the big problem is with the whole "I can see the whole of time" but cant stop myself getting lost in an alt reality, if Rose could truly see the future, would she as the BadWolf not do something to stop that?

Well, maybe she saw past that to what happened even farther down the line (she ends up with Doctor clone).

I assumed she doesn't remember what she saw after she was separated from the time vortex, but I could be wrong.

 

[Stevil2001]

Her immediate reaction in "The Parting of the Ways" would seem to indicate not-- remember, the Doctor makes the joke that he sang a song and the Daleks all ran away. Though he must have told her some of it, as she taunts the Cult of Skaro with the knowledge by the time of "Doomsday".

 

[wamdue]

I dont think Rose remembers her time as BadWolf either, that seems to be one thing we are sure of.