We've got money, we haven't got that much money!
Plus there are all the comments in here of people taking nine or ten friends with them, none of whom were Trek fans who really enjoyed the movie and said they were then going to take their friends.
Foreign numbers VERY Dissapointing.
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We've got money, we haven't got that much money!
Plus there are all the comments in here of people taking nine or ten friends with them, none of whom were Trek fans who really enjoyed the movie and said they were then going to take their friends.
Not really surprising.
Some things just don't pick up much in other countries while it explodes over here. I am just glad the movie was awesome.
Some things just don't pick up much in other countries while it explodes over here. I am just glad the movie was awesome.
I guess Star Trek as a franchise is just more of an "American" thing and not as popular overseas as it is here. Looking at past movies performance wise it's about the same thing. The market outside of domestic is just a different animal. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull made more money overseas then The Dark Knight is just one example.
I'm sure the studio is still thrilled with the nice foreign haul regardless, and will probably make a better effort for the sequel in terms of marketing outside of North America.
I'm sure the studio is still thrilled with the nice foreign haul regardless, and will probably make a better effort for the sequel in terms of marketing outside of North America.
The foreign numbers are weak for the most part, I don't think anyone can deny it. I think Paramount will look at ways of improving them next time. I don't think it has anything to do with it being an American thing either, but its more to do with it being a TV thing. Other nations know Star Trek is a TV thing, even though it has never been on TV there.
I think this was the key factor. Yeah you had Joe trekkie who went and saw the movie a dozen times, but each time they took a friend or two with them. I know thats what I did. My desire for the film to succeed caused me to come out of my Trekkie closet and drag people with me. Thankfully they enjoyed it
We've got money, we haven't got that much money!
Plus there are all the comments in here of people taking nine or ten friends with them, none of whom were Trek fans who really enjoyed the movie and said they were then going to take their friends.
I distinctly recall reading an article weeks ago where Paramount commented and said they where surprised and pleased by it's Foreign take, as apparently it's done far superior than any of the other 10 trek films internationally...
Trek has never made much money world-wide, it's always been US-based. That's well known.
Trek has never made much money world-wide, it's always been US-based. That's well known.
Yeah by about a million dollers. TDK crushed Indy 1 billion dollers says hi
at Paramount then, they were still packing them in up to three weeks after the premiere, far better than other Trek feature films I've been to before.
They are probably referring to foreign take without adjusting for inflation. S:TMP made roughly 56.7 million in foreign take(41%) in 1979-80. Adjusted for inflation it is between $162-165 million today.
Star Trek did good in foreign take compare to majority of Trek films. It is the first to break $100 million mark since S:TMP. That s a big achievement in Star Trek movie franchise. XII should do allot better but it all depend how good XII will be of course
First Contact did the best of TNG films grossed $54 million in 1996 internationally. Adjusted for today inflation it is close to $85-90 million.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that it didn't do well for a Trek film; I think what a lot of us want is for it to have foreign numbers more in line with other blockbusters.
There's no reason we shouldn't want that. I've given up on the excuse that it's "too American." Lots of blockbusters seem as American, or more so. Trek has always appealed to a multi-cultural audience; it's Trek's stock in trade.
As someone brought up, we make lots of cash on DVD sales; Voyager sold well on DVD's in Europe. As I've said about a hundred times, the "Endgame" DVD beat out "Shrek" for #1 on the European list at one point. That wasn't so long ago. I'd like to see the blockbuster foreign numbers on the next movie.
There's no reason we shouldn't want that. I've given up on the excuse that it's "too American." Lots of blockbusters seem as American, or more so. Trek has always appealed to a multi-cultural audience; it's Trek's stock in trade.
As someone brought up, we make lots of cash on DVD sales; Voyager sold well on DVD's in Europe. As I've said about a hundred times, the "Endgame" DVD beat out "Shrek" for #1 on the European list at one point. That wasn't so long ago. I'd like to see the blockbuster foreign numbers on the next movie.
The results are not weak or a failure. They were expected. 66%/33% is what everyone perdicted. Paramount's expectations are what are important. If the movie had performed below expectations then it would have been a failure. Predictability is gold in Hollywood.
The advertising and low theater count were a result of tentativeness on the part of Paramount. Remember they were reviving a franchise that had tanked in its last movie. Add to that the uncertainty of completely revamping the franchise and there is an understandable concern that you might be throwing good money after bad. The result is hedging bests in weak markets. Certainly the next film will get more support and a bigger push.
The advertising and low theater count were a result of tentativeness on the part of Paramount. Remember they were reviving a franchise that had tanked in its last movie. Add to that the uncertainty of completely revamping the franchise and there is an understandable concern that you might be throwing good money after bad. The result is hedging bests in weak markets. Certainly the next film will get more support and a bigger push.
Yes, and that is because it did poorly in the US, and not because it did well in other countries.
And anyway, Star Trek has done well outside the US compared to Nemesis.
It´s on the top ten list in every English-speaking Western Country.
It´s the second most popular foreign movie in China this year after Transformers, and is on the Chinese top ten list.
It has restarted the franschise in France where the TNG movies only played for one weekend.
And in Sweden where I live Star Trek sold about 80 000 tickets. Nemesis only sold 17 000. I´d call that a great improvement.
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Jeri get's it.
Just look at Angels & Demons success oversea's. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask, no expect at least a 50/50 split.
Then for Trek XII we get 250/250 FOR $500 million.
That's what I want to see! And no reason why we can't; we deserve it the same as the others.
Plus, I think if we really want Trek to survive, it needs to be loved worldwide.
It only took until the second page for someone to get it. That's better than usual.
The performance was good in international markets, but with the hype and reviews, and the US performance, one could have expected it would have done better.
It was solid but far from stellar in Australia, despite hosting the world premiere and having the film feature two local stars. Transformers 2 went past its total in its opening week.
The performance was good in international markets, but with the hype and reviews, and the US performance, one could have expected it would have done better.
It was solid but far from stellar in Australia, despite hosting the world premiere and having the film feature two local stars. Transformers 2 went past its total in its opening week.
It's not unreasonable to ask for something like that to happen eventually. But for this movie, based on previous history, I think it would have been pure fantasy to expect it to do $250 million in foreign boxoffice.
And the ratings especially didn't phase oversee's movie goers in the least either.
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Domestic: $339,221,800 / 48.2%
+ Foreign: $364,214,093 / 51.8%
= Worldwide: $703,435,893
But RT rating of 19 verses Treks 95
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/?name_order=asc
Compare too
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/
Or even
Terminator Salvation
Domestic: $123,108,404 / 34.5%
+ Foreign: $233,300,000 / 65.5%
= Worldwide: $356,408,404
RT 32 Vs. 95
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_salvation/
If it is a poorly reviewed Trek movie then I would expect it to suck internationally.
I blame Paramount then, when it saw it was getting awesome reviews in North America, it should have done more advertising and got more theaters for this movie internationally. It was released later into most markets anyways.
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Domestic: $339,221,800 / 48.2%
+ Foreign: $364,214,093 / 51.8%
= Worldwide: $703,435,893
But RT rating of 19 verses Treks 95
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/?name_order=asc
Compare too
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/
Or even
Terminator Salvation
Domestic: $123,108,404 / 34.5%
+ Foreign: $233,300,000 / 65.5%
= Worldwide: $356,408,404
RT 32 Vs. 95
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_salvation/
If it is a poorly reviewed Trek movie then I would expect it to suck internationally.
I blame Paramount then, when it saw it was getting awesome reviews in North America, it should have done more advertising and got more theaters for this movie internationally. It was released later into most markets anyways.