Star Trek Sequel - Vulcan? [SPOILERS]

[BenRoethig]

JJ is a man of mystery, the man lives on the stuff. Unfortunately, there was nothing mysterious about the destruction of Vulcan - we know how and why it happened, there is no story in creating another new timeline to suit this.

Infact, none of the mystery from this movie was left unresolved, leaving, as others have said - a completely blank slate. Anything will happen in the next film.

Actually there isn't a blank slate, if anything he created a powered keg and he'd be very smart to roll with that for the next movie. Nero may have died, but be won. The Klingons lost 47 ships and the Federation lost at least 7 starships plus a core planet.

This gives us two wounded cats and the Romulans in position to take advantage of the balance of power shifting their way. You may see a very different universe because of these events. The Klingons are going to become even more militant. You could also see Starfleet redirect its efforts to from scientific programs to combat operations to counter this.

I don't what we JJ has planned, but one way he could go would be to make things get so bad in this universe, that the best available option is to do a little "cheating" and try to change that timeline in a way that saves both Vulcan and Romulus.

 

[Flamegrape]

JJ is a man of mystery, the man lives on the stuff. Unfortunately, there was nothing mysterious about the destruction of Vulcan - we know how and why it happened, there is no story in creating another new timeline to suit this.

Infact, none of the mystery from this movie was left unresolved, leaving, as others have said - a completely blank slate. Anything will happen in the next film.

Actually there isn't a blank slate, if anything he created a powered keg and he'd be very smart to roll with that for the next movie. Nero may have died, but be won. The Klingons lost 47 ships and the Federation lost at least 7 starships plus a core planet.

This gives us two wounded cats and the Romulans in position to take advantage of the balance of power shifting their way. You may see a very different universe because of these events. The Klingons are going to become even more militant. You could also see Starfleet redirect its efforts to from scientific programs to combat operations to counter this.

I don't what we JJ has planned, but one way he could go would be to make things get so bad in this universe, that the best available option is to do a little "cheating" and try to change that timeline in a way that saves both Vulcan and Romulus.

So much for Roddenberry's "wagon train to the stars" vision of the future.

More guns and military! Space battles! Rawr!

 

[Nebula1400]

Dare I suggest this: with this new and drastically altered time-line, it's very possible, in fact even LIKELY that Kirk NEVER enters the Nexus. So we COULD see Shatner in the next film as an older Kirk . . . easily.

Please, no!

 

[Squiggy]

Yep. I wondered if all remaining Vulcans would be encouraged to uh, be fruitful and multiply greatly.

Promiscuity--it is only Logical.

Gone are the days where they only have desert humping once every 7 years.

Get ready for for some Vulcan porn. "Spock and the F**kin' Vulcans".

 

[bum783]

Maybe this has already been said I did not read pages 2 and 3, but did anybody mention the fact that the Romulan ship destroyed 47 Klingon ships, presumably a crushing blow given the time. Does this garner a response by the Klingons as I am sure they would think it a declaration of war by the empire. Also We never saw the Romulan ship destroyed, we saw it sucked in to a black hole. If Nero was able to escape the ship before it was destroyed I am sure he would attempt to return, meaning another possible time travel movie, or maybe even a glimpse into the 24th century as it is with the change in time line.

 

[BenRoethig]

Maybe this has already been said I did not read pages 2 and 3, but did anybody mention the fact that the Romulan ship destroyed 47 Klingon ships, presumably a crushing blow given the time. Does this garner a response by the Klingons as I am sure they would think it a declaration of war by the empire. Also We never saw the Romulan ship destroyed, we saw it sucked in to a black hole. If Nero was able to escape the ship before it was destroyed I am sure he would attempt to return, meaning another possible time travel movie, or maybe even a glimpse into the 24th century as it is with the change in time line.

I did. That's why I said its a powder keg. You have a Federation that just lost a core planet and civilization, you have a wounded Klingon Empire whih may make them even more dangerous, and the Romulans who are always ever too eager to take advantage of a situation. That's the recipe for a war if I ever saw one.

 

[anthooz]

Dear Friends,

Vulcan is so important to Star Trek. By destroying Vulcan so much that we love is lost. Vulcan can be restored.
www.restorevulcan.com

Please go to this and sign the petition.

Live long and Prosper
Anthony

 

[Irvy]

I think the only people who want Vulcan returned are the people who just can't deal without a reset button. Returning Vulcan gives the story back the status quo. This whole reboot is about staying "true to the original" without keeping the status quo.

Star Trek without Vulcan is a far more interesting proposition. What will happen the the cold, stoic vulcans now that there's so few of them left, and they're now refugees in a similar style to the El-Aurians. Will they assimilate into Romulan society, preferring their distant cousins to the alien humans? Will they go uber Vulcan, becoming even more logical in an attempt to preserve their culture? Will Spock Prime become a figure in Vulcan society similar to Surak (or will it be Sarek who takes on that role, after all, he was in the Katric Ark).

I think there's far more interesting and exciting things to do with the destruction of Vulcan than just having a movie that brings it back at the end. Now, stop whining because someone did something bold with Star Trek and didn't put everything back where it was at the start of the movie.

 

[Toruika]

I wonder how it's affecting Sybok, given his rejection of logic... think he could end up becoming a Vulcan villain?

I figured out a way (potentially) to restore Vulcan, soon after I first saw the movie, but in the end I realized that it'd just take away from the new reboot. Maybe by TNG's time in this universe, they can restore Vulcan (which would be interesting, since you'd have a planet full of people who have to catch up 100 years or so).

Of course, there's always Q... but I have a feeling the continuum will be staying out of this handbasket of hell.

 

[Anticitizen]

I think the only people who want Vulcan returned are the people who just can't deal without a reset button. Returning Vulcan gives the story back the status quo. This whole reboot is about staying "true to the original" without keeping the status quo.
...
Now, stop whining because someone did something bold with Star Trek and didn't put everything back where it was at the start of the movie.

How would you feel about the issue if it were Earth that were destroyed in the movie, not Vulcan?

(I almost would've preferred that, actually... Earth was boring.)

 

[DaveyNY]

Vulcan is one of the Corner Stone's of the Federation as We know it...

Without it, this whole Alternate Trek Universe has no place to go except to degenerate into Major Political Chaos and Unfathomable War...


The next movie is going to be called..., One Of Our Planets Is Missing!! and it's going to be pretty much all about how Kirk and the Gang are going to go about trying to reestablish the Federation as a major power in this unholy conglomeration of a JJ-Trek-verse...

...and that's all just in my humble opinion...

 

[Toruika]

Ob La Di, Ob La Da, Life Goes On... o/~

I think after a few years into the new timeline, we might have an interesting subplot regarding "New Vulcan" or whatever they call the colony. The culture hasn't been wiped out completely.

Also, take this into consideration: When Tibet became a government in exile, their cultural impact on the West became greater. I could see this becoming a parallel in the Trek universe with the remaining Vulcans. More than ever, they are all now ambassadors of their heritage.

 

[Jeri]

I predict the Vulcans will go über logic and Surak on us, due to the stress they're going to be under.

 

[Toruika]

I predict the Vulcans will go über logic and Surak on us, due to the stress they're going to be under.

What do you think Sybok will do, since he's more than likely off-planet?

 

[Jeri]

I can't imagine; are you a fan of Sybok?

 

[Toruika]

I can't imagine; are you a fan of Sybok?

Not overly much. It's been a long time since I've seen that one... But I'm just wondering what a Vulcan without the discipline of logic to fall back on would do, in reaction to losing his planet to terrorism. Would he turn to logic, or become more fervent in his spiritual quest? Or be infected by a similar vengeance as Nero? I mean, he was already a sort of religious zealot...

I might have to go back and re-watch some clips from ST V.

 

[Jeri]

I don't think we even have that movie anymore, since it was on VHS. I'm anticipating getting a blu-ray player and buying the movie set at Christmas. Sybok would probably just act like a Romulan, though.

 

[Rackon]

I can't imagine; are you a fan of Sybok?

Like D C Fontanna, I normally act like Sybok doesn't exist.

 

[xman]

Olson nothing, Vulcan was the real redshirt in this movie. It clearly lets us know that nothing is off limits for the future of the franchise. Repairing Vulcan would send a signal to fans that they should instead expect no meaningful stakes. That would be profoundly illogical.

 

[Anticitizen]

A reset would be tacky and lame... but I'll never agree that taking out Vulcan was a good idea.

To me, Star Trek without Vulcan is like Batman without the Batmobile. Or waffles without the syrup.