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Beyond GM's City of the Future

Triskelion

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Did you see that MST3K short? GM's vision of the future is a city enwrapped in miles of superhighways. The reality looks more like strip malls, mediocre roads and a forest of business signs and billboards - and you have to drive anywhere to do anything. In the US, a man without a car is not a man. Drive cars, eat beef, smoke cigarettes, bigger is always better, yee haw.

America has a love affair with the car like it has a love affair with beef - no doubt at the behest of over-funded special interest lobbies who would design our lifestyles for us. Well we played and we paid, and it's time to move on.

The real question is about population management. There are a number of schools of thought about urban planning, livability, sustainability, etc. As with energy, each approach carries certain costs.

The Arcology
I've seen a few of these proposals for my little hometown of Shanghai, 20m and growing (on wet sand). There was the needle, a self-contained city jutting up from a radial base, in which would be housed all the neighborhood facilities, and built off shore on a manmade island. Some Japanese designs have a similar concept, though spread into four or more great pylons attached at the top.

These strike me as primo targets for terrorism. But the advantage is that with the urban centers concentrated, natural reclamation can begin in the sprawl areas.

The Mall
Well I don't know what you'd really call it but that's what it resembles, a long, winding structure in which people live and shop. It resembles a kind of world's fair pavilion. As a guy with small town values, I wouldn't much care to raise my family in a constant flow of pedestrian traffic. But it's green, and spread out, a little more convenient for bailing out during UFO attack.

The Bunker
Underground cities are spooky. Plus you know when you are underground. It'll change you. But - very good for temperature management.

New Urbanism - Walkable Cities
Think European style. Low buildings, radiating from a common green space, all facilities within walking distance. A few areas have been designed this way and the residents seem to love it. But it calls for a narrowing of one's personal space. Personally I like this one, especially if it's interspersed with Asian-style wending green paths, so that you're never far from tree shade and quietude, and it's all curvy and random and delightful.

Container Cities
Re-using ISBU shipping containers is just a good idea. Better would be to reduce dependence on shipping altogether and manufacture all the crap you need locally using robots, while humans paint and pontificate in our togas and lucite sandals. But ISBU's are being used in very creative ways, very sturdy, and even with modern ceramic insulation, impervious to heat and cold. Rust is the real enemy. And claustrophobia.

Well there are more and I'll probably have more to say about it. But considering the issue of population management, balance with nature, and improved quality of life, what would you like to see in the future? Teepees? Hamster tunnels suspended by blimps? Ocean-floating modpods? Tree-house forts?

Less strip mall crap, that's for sure. I'd rather see New Urbanism with different themes, like Star Trek, Meditteranean, Ancient Japan, Vegas, brownstone street, Mayberry, Disney, etc, and - Normal, for normals.

I would NOT like to see Trantor, nor Flint, Michigan.

Any other ways, ideas, preferences, thoughts, complaints?
 
I just don't understand why we don't just build one huge enormous cube shaped building so large it would be a self contained city. It could go as high as possible but could also go deep into the ground as far as possible.
 
Also it could fly and we could assimilate other cultures and add their biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.
 
Well I like put my two cents first of all the European model of close together dwellings with a central square has been already built,and is located not too far from Disney World in Florida,also I think that there is a community in VA that is also designed that way as well.In fact Columbia,MD has a 55 year age community within walking distance of the mall.
I would like to live in a community that where you live is also where you work.

Think about that for a change,also my mother and father have had in the past an argument that there wasn't a worlds fair in 1939,where GM's world of tomorrow was showcased.

Well I getting tired Good night to all

Signed

Buck Rogers
 
America has a love affair with the car like it has a love affair with beef - no doubt at the behest of over-funded special interest lobbies who would design our lifestyles for us. Well we played and we paid, and it's time to move on.

How are our life styles designed by "over-funded special interest lobbies?"
 
America has a love affair with the car like it has a love affair with beef - no doubt at the behest of over-funded special interest lobbies who would design our lifestyles for us. Well we played and we paid, and it's time to move on.

How are our life styles designed by "over-funded special interest lobbies?"

I suggest you do a bit of research on the advent of the shopping mall, urban redevelopment in the 50s and 60s, Greenwich Village and freeways during that same time, strip malls, the layout of modern subdivisions and really, just the whole history of post WW2 American town/city planning. We're a car culture and it's basically made a ton of American cities into badly laid-out crap. A mixed used infrastructure that would've accommodated cars, bikes and public transportation (as is the case in many places in Europe and Asia) would've been a far better option.
 
Ok I wasn't trying to be alarmist, just cynical. But one cannot deny the economic influence of car companies, as well as other big businesses, promoting a nonsustainable status quo in culture.

And, this thread should be more about constructive, creative possibilities, rather than political backwash anyway.

I'm talking about people re-examining and redefining what we have taken for granted, and what has become comfortable and familiar in terms of planning. Preferably as an academic exercise in itself, rather than commercial interests, which, obviously, do not always act in the best interest of society or the Earth.

But mostly I'd like to hear from the imaginitive science fiction lovers some of their ideas. If you have any....
 
If you ask me, the "City of the Future" is more natural then what we have today. Our technology requires us to tear down whole pieces of land, pour concrete on top of it, plant a tree here and there and then call it a masterpiece. I'd like to think that nano-technology and the like makes that (for the most part) unnecessary in the future. So you'd see a lot more natural-made environments, with only the barest hint of technology.
 
Giant pyramid cities 10 miles on each side and rising one mile into the air and one mile deep below the surface. Put the residences on the top half and all the manufacturing bases on the bottom. Hydroponic food production in the middle levels or spread through the levels. Powered by solar panels, orbital solar or He-3 fusion generators. One city this size would replace several cities the size of Kansas City. Have luxury blocks which would be 100ft x 100ft x 40ft that you could build whatever type of house you wanted, each with their own "LCD sky". You could have it so that everyone has their own personal time zone. Apartments would be well insulated against sound and have "LCD windows" except for the more expensive ones on the edge of the pyramid which would have their own REAL windows. Hydroponically grown veggies and fruit, the nonhuman edible parts of the plants would be "fed" to vat grown beef, pork, fish and chicken as well. If would be a self contained city that would be only dependent on energy and would have minimal environmental impact. Plus once you proved this type of city on earth you could build somethign similar on any other planet and you have a good blueprint for space colonies.

Would people want to live in such a huge place?
 
Giant pyramid cities 10 miles on each side and rising one mile into the air and one mile deep below the surface. Put the residences on the top half and all the manufacturing bases on the bottom. Hydroponic food production in the middle levels or spread through the levels. Powered by solar panels, orbital solar or He-3 fusion generators. One city this size would replace several cities the size of Kansas City. Have luxury blocks which would be 100ft x 100ft x 40ft that you could build whatever type of house you wanted, each with their own "LCD sky". You could have it so that everyone has their own personal time zone. Apartments would be well insulated against sound and have "LCD windows" except for the more expensive ones on the edge of the pyramid which would have their own REAL windows. Hydroponically grown veggies and fruit, the nonhuman edible parts of the plants would be "fed" to vat grown beef, pork, fish and chicken as well. If would be a self contained city that would be only dependent on energy and would have minimal environmental impact. Plus once you proved this type of city on earth you could build somethign similar on any other planet and you have a good blueprint for space colonies.

Would people want to live in such a huge place?
I understand your vision, but I see a couple of issues with it the way you have laid out. Solar panels on the outside would not provide enough energy to power the city, so another energy source would be required. Pollution from such a city would not be trivial. Considerable technology and energy would be required to make it clean. Also, we don't yet have the technology to produce the vat-grown meat you describe. The way animal cells are grown does not use vegetable matter at all, so to use the left over vegetable matter as you describe would require substantial technology and energy to change that material into something the cells can use.

Finally, as to your last question, and perhaps this is the biggest problem, I don't think many people would want to live in such a place. I certainly would not. I can barely stand to live in a town where I have next-door neighbors, let alone in a large building where I can't get away from people once in a while and may not even go outside for months or years at a time. For me, the quality of life in such a city would be abysmal.
 
The problem with megalithic city structures is that the surface are is small compared to the volume...and how much of the populace is going to accept living in a place where you can't see outside? When windows are rare, only the rich will have them.
 
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