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Matt Jeffries Intentions / Federation Vessel Hull Numbers

You mentioned "for the audience, and the fanboys". So it's not just your personal preference we're talking about. So, why isn't "ENTERPRISE" or "VOYAGER" or "CONSTELLATION" cue enough?

I'm not a fanboy?
Not the only one, no.

Ok. Can you just accept that it's MY opinion and leave it at that, and recognize that maybe, JUST maybe, there's one or two other people who agree with me?
 
Not the only one, no.

Ok. Can you just accept that it's MY opinion and leave it at that, and recognize that maybe, JUST maybe, there's one or two other people who agree with me?
I asked you a simple question, out of genuine curiosity, and all you could come up with was 'No'. That's not what discussion boards are for, you know. Now I'm done fishing. :D

Sorry, I didn't have a whole lot to add to the discussion. :lol:
 
Ok. Can you just accept that it's MY opinion and leave it at that, and recognize that maybe, JUST maybe, there's one or two other people who agree with me?
I asked you a simple question, out of genuine curiosity, and all you could come up with was 'No'. That's not what discussion boards are for, you know. Now I'm done fishing. :D

Sorry, I didn't have a whole lot to add to the discussion. :lol:

All right, no problem then. :D
 
Praetor,

I like this. A lot. I'm not sure if it's totally workable, and I still hate the idea of "Naval Construction Contract" a little, but I do like the scheme. I suppose a good question would also be whether to include FJ's ship classes?
I'm not sure I'd want to include all of FJ's ship classes, as I don't like many of his designs (though I do like the Federation-class Dreadnought)

Well, that's the benefit of them being non-canon, I suppose. Myself, I'd include at least a version of each of them. We could fudge the numbers, potentially.

So, in summary, we know the following:

  1. MJ made up the number "NCC-1701" because it looked good, and later rationalized that 17 meant first series, 01 first model.
  2. Constellation had "NCC-1017" as a decal rearrangement that would theoretically make it stand out.
  3. Besides establishing a list names for other Starships, the TOS production did not establish a list of registries.
  4. "Court Martial" offered us a list of ship registries that we don't know to correspond with everything.
  5. FJ came up with his own scheme that seemed somewhat based on MJ's.
  6. The next registry number we saw was NCC-1864 for Reliant in TWOK, followed by NCC-638 and NX-2000 in TSFS, and then the Saratoga in TVH.
  7. The TNG production purposefully ignored/refuted the FJ scheme, which, having been based on the MJ scheme, kind of kills that.
Any corrections/additions to this?
Though not seen onscreen, we do have the comm chatter outside Epsilon 9 mentioning the scouts Revere NCC-595 and Columbia NCC-621 as well as the dreadnought Entente NCC-2120 from TMP. One would have to decide for one's self how much weight to give them and what they imply about the TMP-era fleet and registries, but they are another data point.
 
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Is my eyesight failing me or is that top ship not Matt Decker's ship at all? I read Constantinople. Was that change intentional?
It is funny, I've used this image a number of times in the last year and a half and you're the first person to notice that I changed the name.

:techman:
 
If you've got a date in Constantinople she'll be waiting in Istanbul! Even old New York, was once New Amsterdam! Why they changed it, I can't say. People just liked it better that way!
 
To throw another wrench into things here, what class is the Republic believed to be? Kirk mentions her in "Court Martial" as "United Starship Republic, number 1371".
 
The Encyclopedia lists it as Constitution class, but that is only conjecture. It's entirely possible that the Republic is an older class of ship.
 
On a purely personal level I've always liked the idea that registries denote specific classes, and ideally shouldn't be repeated unless necessary (though that's certainly been broken by many fanon sources). The closest equivalent I can think of from another sci-fi series would be the model numbers in BattleTech, which has many designs whose overall service lives have lasted decades, if not centuries, through successive variations. Those individual models usually share variations on their model code, but said code is unique to each design.
 
I move that the 18" AMT model be declared the Bonhomme Richard class and that all starships with registries lower than 1600 and previously assumed to be Constitution class, like the USS Constellation NCC-1017 and the USS Republic NCC-1371, are, in actuality, Bonhomme Richard class starships.

All in favor, say "aye."
 
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