What I think would be cool is to take elements from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and make Gary Mitchell the villain for the next movie. Instead of getting mental abilities as he did in the TV episode, perhaps he contracts a virus that makes him think he has mental abilities. He goes rogue and takes the colony ship he escorting hostage and threatens attacks on Klingon outposts. Kirk and the Enterprise have to hunt him down. Kirk would have to face the difficult decision about killing his best friend to save the colonists and prevent war with the Klingons.
Gary Mitchell as villain for Star Trek XII
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No offence, but "Assignment: Earth" was the single worst episode of TOS in my view and I would have no interest in seeing Gary Seven in the sequel.
Gary Mitchell and Gary Seven are two different characters.
I personally wouldnt mind seeing either one, but Gary Seven would mean time travel, and i think JJ and Co have said they dont want to do that again in Trek 12. Although it would be interesting to know more about the species that responsible for Sevens technology and training. If they were that advanced in our time, where are they in the 23rd Century? Who are they? Why are they so interested in Earth?
As for Gary Mitchell, I think that would be fine, but I think they should retain him actually having mental powers, and leave the Klingons out of it, unless the use of his powers could cause a war between them. I think if we do see the Klingons it will not be just generic Klingons, but someone we know, like Kor, Koloth or Kang. ANd they would most likely get the spotlight as the main Big Bad of the film, and not share it with Mitchell or some other antogonist.
I personally wouldnt mind seeing either one, but Gary Seven would mean time travel, and i think JJ and Co have said they dont want to do that again in Trek 12. Although it would be interesting to know more about the species that responsible for Sevens technology and training. If they were that advanced in our time, where are they in the 23rd Century? Who are they? Why are they so interested in Earth?
As for Gary Mitchell, I think that would be fine, but I think they should retain him actually having mental powers, and leave the Klingons out of it, unless the use of his powers could cause a war between them. I think if we do see the Klingons it will not be just generic Klingons, but someone we know, like Kor, Koloth or Kang. ANd they would most likely get the spotlight as the main Big Bad of the film, and not share it with Mitchell or some other antogonist.
Sorry. Yeah. I'm getting my episodes and names mixed up.
Sounds interesting... maybe if they had set up Gary in the last movie it would have worked.
One of the things that genuinely disappointed me about Star Trek was the lack of Gary Mitchell. I wish they hadn't introduced Checkov in this movie, left him for Star Trek: The Sequel, and had Gary Mitchell in this movie. Then they could have set him up to be the villain in the next flick.
And this goes back to the part of me (that I have not expressed on the Board) that thinks they should have approached this movie the same way a comic book adaptation works. Instead of worrying about fitting this into the established canon, they should have booted a genuine movie-only franchise a la Spiderman, and then things like the introduction of Gary Mitchell would have been fun for the hardcore fans.
Unfortunately, I've gone way off topic here ... but I'm definitely in favor of having Gary Mitchell and as a villain is great too.
And this goes back to the part of me (that I have not expressed on the Board) that thinks they should have approached this movie the same way a comic book adaptation works. Instead of worrying about fitting this into the established canon, they should have booted a genuine movie-only franchise a la Spiderman, and then things like the introduction of Gary Mitchell would have been fun for the hardcore fans.
Unfortunately, I've gone way off topic here ... but I'm definitely in favor of having Gary Mitchell and as a villain is great too.
Yeah, if it had been Gary Mitchell on that transport instead of Bones, and Kirk and Mitchell met that way, and were best pals in the Academy, were on the Enterprise together, etc. that would have been better. Show just how close they were and thus make a great set up for the next one. They just didnt go that way unfortunetly.
Im sure they could just say that Mitchell was there, and they were very close, but he just was on a different ship for this emergency, they could bring him in anyhow. Still.
Im sure they could just say that Mitchell was there, and they were very close, but he just was on a different ship for this emergency, they could bring him in anyhow. Still.
I think "cupcake" should be Gary Mitchell.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
LOL..that might have worked.
They should have made the kid who kirk zoomed past in his dad's vet turn out to be Gary Mitchell...
Rob
Gary Seven doesn't necessary require time travel. I see Gary Seven as being more than just a regular human being. Who knows how he has been altered by the aliens he works for.
As for Mitchell being the villian. I would like to see the character but I would like to see them use him differently than just repeating the show and having him get Godlike powers. I could see him as a more traditional villian but I actually prefer the idea of turning Carol Marcus to a villian more than I do like the idea of turning Gary Mitchell into a villian. I think she has more of a backstory to work with since she is a scientist and might have a romantic connection to the new Kirk just like the TOS Kirk. It would also be nice to have a female villian for once.
Jason
I can't imagine why they'd ever use Gary Seven.
Gary Mitchell on the other hand might be a good foil for Khan. Both have these kind of superhuman pretensions.
Wouldn't Gary Mitchell have gone to the academy before this new young Kirk, who seems to have started at age 22 rather than 18, counting by the years on this new movie?
Although, if I remember correctly, Kirk was Mitchell's instructor, so maybe they were classmates instead?
I don't know. Personally, I do think Mitchell would make for a good villain, or at least a good tragic character, who along with Kirk can contest some other challenge or menace.
Abrams mentioned in a recent interview (sorry, no link because i'm lazy, but it's on trekmovie) that it is necessary to personify villains. I disagree, incidentally; the Borg were far better before Hugh/Seven/Lore borg/Borg queen. But if you are going to have a personal villain, he or she should at least not be another hell-bent on revenge/glory idiot. Mitchell would do nicely.
Gary Mitchell on the other hand might be a good foil for Khan. Both have these kind of superhuman pretensions.
Wouldn't Gary Mitchell have gone to the academy before this new young Kirk, who seems to have started at age 22 rather than 18, counting by the years on this new movie?
Although, if I remember correctly, Kirk was Mitchell's instructor, so maybe they were classmates instead?
I don't know. Personally, I do think Mitchell would make for a good villain, or at least a good tragic character, who along with Kirk can contest some other challenge or menace.
Abrams mentioned in a recent interview (sorry, no link because i'm lazy, but it's on trekmovie) that it is necessary to personify villains. I disagree, incidentally; the Borg were far better before Hugh/Seven/Lore borg/Borg queen. But if you are going to have a personal villain, he or she should at least not be another hell-bent on revenge/glory idiot. Mitchell would do nicely.
The appeal of Gary Seven is he is a human being that has a otherworldly quality to him. Plus he works for mysterious aliens that we have never seen before so you can create some brand new aliens that I think would have more to them than your stand alien of the week, new alien species we might see. Plus he works with a sexy shapeshifter so that oviously has some potentional, and cool gadgets. So you got some James Bondian stuff about the guy as well that can be used.
Jason
The guy is James Bond from outer space. It was a great episode, but it was hardly a Star Trek episode, and it was time travel besides. I can be talked into a lot of different ideas, but I can't get on board with Gary Seven.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Well..It could be about the fricking tooth fairy and I wouldn't care...as long as it is written right.
And hardly anyone in the real world (meaning not Star Trek fans) knows who gary seven is, so who cares if its retread? WRITING WRITING WRITING...
Rob
hey man, Romulus is misspelled. is that intentional?
RobertScorpio
Pariah
If Gary Mitchell is used, and his downfall is "godlike powers," then it's nothing more than a rehash of WNMHGB, and we could all save $8 and stay home and watch our DVDs of WNMHGB instead. Why do we have to continue to be trapped in the OU's canon?!
Ummmm...memo to poster. PARAMOUNT doesn't really care if TREK fans see these new movies or not. If Gary, Khan, Gary-7, Doomsday, talosians, Time-Travel ect ect ect can make a good story, and movie, then who cares whether or not some hardcore fan has 'seen' it before...
They don't care. Its all about telling a good story and, more importantly, putting butts in those theatre seats. Whether they are TREKKIE buns or not is not important.
And I agree...
Rob
Well yeah, its possible hes still alive in the 23rd Century. I dont remember the episode lines, but I recall something like him being an Earth human but taken long ago, (way before the 20th Century) and then returning with the training and tech that this species gave him.
One got the impression of a kind of Green Lantern Corps idea there. Maybe many planets have had persons taken by these aliens. Or they could be like the Time Lords. Interesting to explore it. They are obviously beyond the Federation in technology and getting some sense of them would be interesting.
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