Actual Year of Star Trek XI
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This is your answer? This is it?Kirk's age and birth year had remained the same.
In other words, the screenwriters created a blooper, like they did with Chekov in "WRATH OF KHAN" and like the TREK producers, you refuse to acknowledge this. Thank you for your answers.
So, Nero's effect on Chekov's existence is greater than Nero's effect on Kirk's existence...Why do you have such a hard time accepting this?
Alternate Kirk is a bad example, because he was going to be born soon anyway -- even without Nero's meddling. People born closer to the "reality divergence" such as Kirk and Uhura are likely to be less affected by the divergence. Chekov was born some years later, so the accumulative effects on the divergeant timeline would be greater just prior to his conception/birth.
I don't know when Uhura or Sulu were born, but they seem closer to Kirk's age, so Nero's accumulative effect on the timelines before their births would be less than the accumulative effect on the timeline before Chekov's birth.
I'm pretty sure that an episode of Voyager said that Kirk's five year mission was from 2265 to 2270.
And the episode was "Q2".
Didn't we also decide a while back based on something Orci said that Kirk was also a premie, too - technically born in the same year, but maybe a month or so earlier?
If the Enterprise can be "born" later, so can Chekov, or anyone else post-2233, really.
Regarding Piotr: what if Chekov did indeed have an older brother in the Prime universe who died as a child that he had never told Sulu about? In the AU, this kid might have been named Pavel in honor of a late uncle, a distinguished Starfleet officer who perished aboard the Kelvin.
If the Enterprise can be "born" later, so can Chekov, or anyone else post-2233, really.
Regarding Piotr: what if Chekov did indeed have an older brother in the Prime universe who died as a child that he had never told Sulu about? In the AU, this kid might have been named Pavel in honor of a late uncle, a distinguished Starfleet officer who perished aboard the Kelvin.
Which, as bad as that episode was, makes the 2270 date for returning to spacedock for the TMP refit canon.
To me, it really does help to think that this was an alternate universe from the very beginning and that the destruction of the Kelvin simply altered things even further from the Prime Universe. IMO, that idea covers pretty much any and all changes with the characters, technology, dates, etc...
That's been my thinking since I first saw the movie - there are too many changes and too significant changes to explain them all with the destruction of the Kelvin. This way, any question about any divergence from other Trek can be answered with "alternate timeline" and then we can just enjoy the movie.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
No. Even in the original, unchanged timeline we all knew until this new movie it was launched in 2245.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
No. Even in the original, unchanged timeline we all knew until this new movie it was launched in 2245.
Oh yeah, I was off by about a couple of years. Thanks.
My thinking as well.
When Nero asked Robeau What stardate it was and Robeau answered 2233.04, Nero should have said What kind of Stardate is that?! I must be in an alternate universe.
Not all differences have an in-universe explanation (or require one.) I'm inclined to think stardates are one of those which do not.
