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Pegg's Scotty: Just Say No!

I was upset when I read that Paul McGillion did not receive the role of Scotty. While watching the movie, I realized my opinion of why Pegg was picked over McGillion, that it was for comic relief. I couldn't see McGilllion playing Scotty as a goof ball like Pegg did, but I'm not saying that Pegg didn't do a good job at it. Now that casting is over, just let Pegg stay where he's at, maybe the next movie will be better written for him.

This is kind of where I am at. I was upset about Paul not getting the part.. and really wanted him to have it.

When I first saw Scotty, I didn't like his portrayal at all.

Now, I am just sort of eh. He neither bothers me nor do I like him.

Maybe in the next movie, he'll be better.

But I can't see Simon doing anything remotely similar to James' portrayal at all. It was a different character. If I watch the movie thinking that way, I can tolerate him.

I much prefer, Kirk, Spock, Sulu, Uhura and McCoy.
 
Some people have suggested they enjoyed Pegg's performance. Yet others, including myself, have stated that the portrayal of Scotty was terrible.

Can a performance be good and terrible at the same time?

In the case of Scotty's portrayal: yes.

Pegg's performance was "good" in that, if you separate his scenes out from the rest of the movie, he did get cheap laughs. He acted in a silly, over-the-top way, and this always gets a chuckle.

Isn't this good, then?

No. It's not good because, even though his scenes, taken alone, may not be that bad, they do not fit in with the rest of the movie. They might be appropriate in a Disney movie for little kids (which usually have some over-the-top character for comic relief), but not here. Anyone can get cheap laughs by saying silly things loudly ("exciting"; "towel"): what's hard is to do so without detracting from the other actors.

Here are three specific problems with the portrayal of Scotty and why it harms the film:

1. Humor is too silly and obvious. Scotty is used as slapstick, as broad comic relief. He says mostly silly things, in an overacting, hammy manner. The comments about food on Delta Vega, the towel comment, and the "exciting" comment, were all attempts at humor by being silly.

But the humor in Star Trek is not supposed to be silly or slapstick. The other characters' jokes are wry and ironic: "is there a problem, officer?"; "no, not really." "at ease"; "I would cite regulation, but I know you would ignore it"; "aural sensitivity"; and so on. It's out of key, in the midst of these clever and subtle lines, to have childish, over-obvious humor.

2. Inconsistent with TOS. The other characters all have a direct and clear relationship to their characters in TOS. Much of the joy in watching the film is noting the carefully craftsmanship by which the differences and the similarities between the movie characters and their Prime versions are delineated. Unlike the others, however, Scotty is nothing like the TOS character. Scotty Prime did not spend all his time making stupid and overobvious jokes: he was in fact one of the more serious characters. He gave the cast balance. Pegg's portrayal destroys that balance.

3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general. Not for one moment did anyone believe Pegg was actually an engineer: he was acting like a salesman or class clown who happened to be cast as an engineer.


So, the key problem with how Scotty is portrayed is not that the performance is not that it was bad per se; it was that it was out of place in this movie. It just did not fit in with the tone of the events of the movie; with Scotty's character from canon; and with how engineers might be expected to behave. Every scene he is in takes the viewer out of the movie, makes the movie seem that much less real.

And one other key thing: we lose the true character of Scotty, who was a great character on TOS. And we replace this great character with a kind of Jar Jar character, with puerility and nonsense.

I guess you and I saw different movies. SCOTTY was a scene stealer. He also was very intelligent. The movie's success means that JJ will use the scotty he created..and that to me is a GOOD thing.

Rob
 
I think Pegg was brilliant. And no disrespect to the late Mr. Doohan, but he did do a much better accent.

I'd also add that the casual and non-Trek fans I spoke to absolutely adored him, so resistance is pretty friggin' futile here.
 
Here's my to quatloos worth, From what I've seen, Pegg seems to be a decent actor and comedian. The problem is, IMHO, he was simply miss-cast, even moreso perhaps, than Yeltsin? Also, the writers didn't seem to know what to do with the character, other than the tried and true "I'm giving it all she's got captin" there was nothing remotely Scottyish about anything he said or did! This stands in stark conntrast to the other actor/charactors who were all given many things to say and do that harked back to the originals. Another poster recently said something that hit the nail on the head for me, that instead of asking for a sandwich, he should have asked for a bottle of scotch, now that sounds like Scotty! And while it's true that Scotty was often humorous in TOS, it was always a wry, sassy humor, not stupid slapstick! I know this was not all the fault of Pegg, and I can definatly see the potential here for improvement, this was after all, the first chance, for everyone involved, to play in this sandbox. Hopefully, in future movies these fumbles will be fixed and Pegg will get a chance to give us the respectful homage to Doohan/Scotty that he promised us?
 
The new Scotty fits in just right for the target audience.

The original Scotty was not nearly so comical as I've seen him described on this board. He was a pretty serious guy....not even close to the new version.
 
He had potential to be more like the nuSCOTT. You can see glimmers of it. In fact, I wish Doohan's scotty would have been more like Pegg's.

GASP!!!..yes..I think PEGG is the better "movie" version of scotty. THERE! I said it!

Rob
 
Even though the accent wavered now and again, I thought he was excellent. If anything it's a more accurate portrayal of a late 20s/mid30s Scotsman than Doohan's ever was. He'll be clever, funny, sarcastic and like the odd drink or twelve. Good company.
 
I don't know why people hate Pegg as Scotty so much. I think he did a fine job. I just didn't like his annoying Jar Jar type sidekick.
 
My biggest complaint about Scotty in the movie is that we didn't see enough of him. I'm fine with Pegg's portrayal, but I wouldn't have minded a bit more of the engineer at work. I'm hoping that we'll get that in the next movie.

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3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general. Not for one moment did anyone believe Pegg was actually an engineer: he was acting like a salesman or class clown who happened to be cast as an engineer.


So, the key problem with how Scotty is portrayed is not that the performance is not that it was bad per se; it was that it was out of place in this movie. It just did not fit in with the tone of the events of the movie; with Scotty's character from canon; and with how engineers might be expected to behave.

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I've come into contact with a few engineers over time -- I worked at Rockwell's R&D facility for ten years myself and my father and his colleagues were all missile engineers for TRW and other defense/tech contractors -- and I can say with some certainty that engineers act like all sorts of things, just like people in any other field, from the completely dour and serious to the full-on gonzo, and you know what? As a general thing, some of the best and most capable (not to mention the most successful at securing new contracts and funding) were the more unconventional ones; they tended to be more open to new ideas -- as when Spock shows the formula for transporting at warp to Scotty -- and better able to quickly grasp what the process is when they see it. The serious guys tended to track more toward management and less toward innovative thinking, and even the craziest knew when it was time to take care of business.

Credibility is not a problem for me, where Pegg's performance is concerned. Again, though, I would like to see more of Scotty actually being an engineer.

The one area I didn't like about Scotty is how he talked about the Enterprise in an almost womanizing fashion. Calling her well endowed and getting his hands on her. The original Scotty wouldn't like that.
No one on network prime time TV would have said that in 1966-69. Remember, though, the opening minutes of "Spock's Brain" -- Scotty's reaction to the design of the approaching ship. I don't see the line to which you refer as being much more than an updating of that same appreciation for a good piece of engineering.
 
The new Scotty fits in just right for the target audience.

The original Scotty was not nearly so comical as I've seen him described on this board. He was a pretty serious guy....not even close to the new version.

I agree..I've heard this time and time again how Scotty was the comic relief of TOS..and I think to myself...really he was? On occassion yes...but in no way would I describe his character as "funny"...

I can excuse Pegg's coked up caffeinated version of Scotty because I'm chalking it up to this is how he was when he was younger.
 
I don't know why people hate Pegg as Scotty so much. I think he did a fine job. I just didn't like his annoying Jar Jar type sidekick.
Where is everyone drawing the Jar-Jar comparrision for Keenser? I've honestly not seen it, and am curious as to how everyone else is seeing it.
 
I don't know why people hate Pegg as Scotty so much. I think he did a fine job. I just didn't like his annoying Jar Jar type sidekick.
Where is everyone drawing the Jar-Jar comparrision for Keenser? I've honestly not seen it, and am curious as to how everyone else is seeing it.

I'm with you..


And even if Keenser was aimed at kids? SO WHAT??? They are part of the movie going public. I for one liked the little dude; and so did all those who laughed at his lines in the movie.

Have fun....gee..

Rob
 
^^^ What lines Rob did this "keenser" have? Jesus, mary joseph and the innkeeper even the name is stupid. Totally unneccesary and a waste of time. There was enough in it for kids...we liked TOS as kids...we didn't need stupid sidekicks...did we? I'll answer for you...no we did not.
 
^^^ What lines Rob did this "keenser" have? Jesus, mary joseph and the innkeeper even the name is stupid. Totally unneccesary and a waste of time. There was enough in it for kids...we liked TOS as kids...we didn't need stupid sidekicks...did we? I'll answer for you...no we did not.

Oh please..I was 10 years old in TOS's season three. I watched the show for the ship and the FX. The story 'messages' only became interesting as I got older, as I am sure it is for most TREK fans...

Kweenser was cool...cut and simple..and kids (and I mean five year olds ) liked it..THATS ALL THAT MATTERS..gee..have room for the fun of a child in your heart...please..for the humanity of it all.

Rob-
 
I just wish Pegg's Scotty's character had more hair....:lol:
But which haircut, though?
This one?

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^^^ What lines Rob did this "keenser" have? Jesus, mary joseph and the innkeeper even the name is stupid. Totally unneccesary and a waste of time. There was enough in it for kids...we liked TOS as kids...we didn't need stupid sidekicks...did we? I'll answer for you...no we did not.


I have made this argument myself, against Ewoks and Jar Jar, but I really don't think Keenser is anywhere in the same league. He's not really cute, he's just short (unless merely being short is automatically grounds for hating the character). He's not furry, he's reptilian/coral. Most importantly, he isn't constantly saying stupid shit in a pseudo-Jamaican accent.
 
^^^ What lines Rob did this "keenser" have? Jesus, mary joseph and the innkeeper even the name is stupid. Totally unneccesary and a waste of time. There was enough in it for kids...we liked TOS as kids...we didn't need stupid sidekicks...did we? I'll answer for you...no we did not.

Oh please..I was 10 years old in TOS's season three. I watched the show for the ship and the FX. The story 'messages' only became interesting as I got older, as I am sure it is for most TREK fans...

Kweenser was cool...cut and simple..and kids (and I mean five year olds ) liked it..THATS ALL THAT MATTERS..gee..have room for the fun of a child in your heart...please..for the humanity of it all.

Rob-

Ahem...did I say anything about messages and TOS....? I'll answer for you...no Cakes you didn't and come to think of it you're always right.

Oh Stop Rob...really! All this flattery!! You're making me blush! But I will agree with you...you made a very good point about me...anyway...a few minutes of "keenser"...ugh...isn't going to enrapture anybody...so these 5year olds...they perked up when they saw keenser and were totally lost for the rest of the movie? I don't buy that he's in it to lure in a toddler audience...I mean LOL!
 
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