It's too bad these people died. I understand their desire to live in a better country. But instead of choosing an illegal action perhaps they would have been better off trying to make their own country a better place to live. At least if their lives were to be sacrificed then it would have been for a better future for their country.
We see people stacked like wood frequently
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TheLonelySquire
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No, I'm saying that good choices more often than not lead to positive outcomes. Bad choices...well, not so much.
TheLonelySquire
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I'd say that you're a murderer who should be in prison and he's a dead criminal alien.
Care to address this point, Squire?
Yes, because of course no law-abiding citizen was ever involved in a car accident.
The respect for human life in this thread is just astonishing.
Thank Q.
Though I don't advocate throwing out Paul (or other Scriptures), just putting the emphasis in the right place for the right situations.TLS, he or she may be a "dead criminal alien," but he or she is still a child of God and should be treated with the respect all such deserve. And being a criminal in the eyes of the US Justice System is no more a basis for passing judgment on their worth as a human than being a criminal in the eyes of the Roman Empire was 2000 years ago.
TLS is equating the law with morality which is clearly a very dangerous way of looking at things. The law can never be viewed as morality as laws are passed and abolished seemingly at random.
Paul did. Paul who was regularly put in jail for civil disobedience. Paul, fellow Apostle along with the Disciples who stated early on in Acts 'We ought to obey God rather than men.' Obeying God, Who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the way they treated those who immigrated into their rich lands to look for a better life, as well as how they treated their own poor and widowed, and filled His Word with more teaching and study on helping the poor and widowed than any other subject.
Just some context.
Many pick and choose from the Bible only to further their own agendas..instead of looking at the spirit of the entire document..
They didn't call it "The New Testament" for nothing..in many cases, Jesus comes across as a "divine humanist"...
back to cases..
This is a tragedy, and not so much the fault of those folks that died, but the fault of the coyote ,whose business model "max out the number of folks in the car no matter how unsafe it is" truely lead to the deaths..and now the survivors probably will get legal residence due to the suffering they received from the coyote scumbag.
I didn't see anyone blame the greedy coyote... I do..
They didn't call it "The New Testament" for nothing..in many cases, Jesus comes across as a "divine humanist"...
back to cases..
This is a tragedy, and not so much the fault of those folks that died, but the fault of the coyote ,whose business model "max out the number of folks in the car no matter how unsafe it is" truely lead to the deaths..and now the survivors probably will get legal residence due to the suffering they received from the coyote scumbag.
I didn't see anyone blame the greedy coyote... I do..
^^ Many people are to blame. The businesses that exploit illegal immigrants should be punished severely as well. In addition to the exploitation of Human Beings, they also drain our social resources; but in their case, it's to line their own pockets.
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It was Bonz who actually lifted the ban, since she's the one with Teh Powah. None of the Mods wanted the ban to last forever.Locutus of Bored has spokenNot to take away from the tragedy, but isn't this skirting the kind of political/hot-button topics that we're not supposed to have in Misc?
Oh, that's great.Locutus was an outspoken critic of the ban before he got power, so I guess it's not surprising.
TheLonelySquire
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Thank Q.
TLS, he or she may be a "dead criminal alien," but he or she is still a child of God and should be treated with the respect all such deserve. And being a criminal in the eyes of the US Justice System is no more a basis for passing judgment on their worth as a human than being a criminal in the eyes of the Roman Empire was 2000 years ago.
I never said their worth is less than anyone else's. I feel sad that they were killed. They are what they are however. They are dead. They were criminals in this country. They were aliens. Had they honored our laws they would still be alive.
Thank Q.
TLS, he or she may be a "dead criminal alien," but he or she is still a child of God and should be treated with the respect all such deserve. And being a criminal in the eyes of the US Justice System is no more a basis for passing judgment on their worth as a human than being a criminal in the eyes of the Roman Empire was 2000 years ago.
I never said their worth is less than anyone else's. I feel sad that they were killed. They are what they are however. They are dead. They were criminals in this country. They were aliens. Had they honored our laws they would still be alive.
Or they could just as easily have been murdered by drug lords in their own country. But, who cares about them anyway. They were criminals! And aliens!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gMi5B2USfJStXxfqgWWr2xjRYpOgD98K9QAG4
Had these men spent their day trying to enter the United States illegally, they would not have been caught up in this horrible attack
TLS. Please address this salient point.
TheLonelySquire
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Thank Q.
TLS, he or she may be a "dead criminal alien," but he or she is still a child of God and should be treated with the respect all such deserve. And being a criminal in the eyes of the US Justice System is no more a basis for passing judgment on their worth as a human than being a criminal in the eyes of the Roman Empire was 2000 years ago.
I never said their worth is less than anyone else's. I feel sad that they were killed. They are what they are however. They are dead. They were criminals in this country. They were aliens. Had they honored our laws they would still be alive.
Or they could just as easily have been murdered by drug lords in their own country. But, who cares about them anyway. They were criminals! And aliens!
But they weren't murdered by drug lords, were they? We know how they died.
Or should we have no laws?
TheLonelySquire
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That's not an ideology Misfit. It's common sense. We as a people have established these laws. It's only reasonable that they be adhered to. No?