Old-School "Face in Space" Titles Returning!

[Peacemaker]

Well, I should think that the problem isn't answering in the abstract, rather it's the fact that you keep substituting slurries of adjectives in lieu of an actual argument, which is generally a good sign you don't have an argument. Instead you just keep repeating adjectives.

For example, if you're going to argue that TOS was "crap, sucked ass," and the other adjectives you've employed and then connect this to the feelings about it held by those who revived it, then perhaps you should start with the comments of somebody like RTD.

It's true that a revival doesn't mean the first show was good...on the other hand that argument is reversible on you. Then, of course, the idea that because TOS was "crap" therefore a title sequence in the old way in the new series is crap is a nonsequitar. Try unpacking that assertion as an argument and maybe you'll get a better response from your detractors.

 

[Stevil2001]

it does beg the question, should we have action shots in the title sequence, personally I say no,for example the orgininal title sequence for SG1 was the best.

God, no. It's not Dallas. "Action shots" in opening titles are always cheap and tacky, and that's a fact!

I dunno. I think it could work...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EUqwkoPsV0

Not to interrupt this absolutely fascinating discussion, but this video is a work of genius.

Steven Moffat, your series five titles are already designed.

 

[Messianni]

God, no. It's not Dallas. "Action shots" in opening titles are always cheap and tacky, and that's a fact!

I dunno. I think it could work...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EUqwkoPsV0

Not to interrupt this absolutely fascinating discussion, but this video is a work of genius.

Steven Moffat, your series five titles are already designed.

I can't believe I missed that! Wonderful!

The ST:TNG one is also a good laugh.

Anyways, back on topic...

I again cite my House example: just as sheer speculation, I would think, with today's editing techniques and all, that a face in the credits such as that (a quick flash) would be a nice send-off to the old series while sticking with more modern sensibilities. Not that it matters, whatever they do it's not like I'm going to ditch the show over a credit sequence as there really isn't any that they've had so far I've disliked (even McCoy's winking).

 

[wamdue]

there are some great videos, the Doctor Who / Gary 7 ones are fun, maybe its time NBC bought Gary 7 back.

this Charlies Angels one is quite good to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVOmAlaf8RI&feature=related

 

[captcalhoun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGwNbXIQMqc&feature=related

i LOVE Mickey 'Tin Dog' Smith

 

[DWF]

And here just this past week I was bragging on about how the Dr Who forum here was pretty much devoid of the generation infighting that has plagued other franchises. Please don't make me out to be a liar, and just cut out the silliness about which was good and which was "crap".

It does not become any of you at all.

If this happens it'll be one more example of Moffat making choices for the new series based on his love for the original, just as RTD did and got blasted for it. Moffat will continue to make these kinds of decisions angering those who didn't like the original series for some odd reason.

 

[StCoop]

Is it worth pointing out that the sole source for this story was an anonymous e-mail sent to a website run by a man who has famously posted a bunch of DW related "scoops" which have turned out to be completely wrong in the past?

And that the one and only time I can ever remember Moffat talking about "Floating Head" Titles he was mocking them?

 

[Timofnine]

As long as they get rid of that ridiculous wink and get him to blow a raspberry instead.

 

[Neroon]

Is it worth pointing out that the sole source for this story was an anonymous e-mail sent to a website run by a man who has famously posted a bunch of DW related "scoops" which have turned out to be completely wrong in the past?

And that the one and only time I can ever remember Moffat talking about "Floating Head" Titles he was mocking them?

That is an excellent point, something I myself did not know. Not that I follow all stories on Dr Who material, but I have to say it does color my perceptions on the original scoop that began this thread.

Everyone ...... it's also a good part of what appears to be a return to the real subject matter here. Disagreements between fans of the two series are fine and to be expected. The problem is when you cross the line into making it more personal - which one of you nearly did even after I advised against it.

 

[wamdue]

The problem is when you cross the line into making it more personal - which one of you nearly did even after I advised against it.

*hides*

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'll bet that Moffat could redo the Kandy Man as something truly nightmarish.

 

[wamdue]

I'll bet that Moffat could redo the Kandy Man as something truly nightmarish.

and Galifery Base was starting to seem like such a nice quiet little forum.

sure the return of the handyman, that wont cause any fanboys to rant none stop for 2 hours about how Moffatt will ruin Doctor Who, and turn it into a Twilight wannabe, and they continue for another 30 minutes about how Matt Smith is too young, and how the new companion is too hot.

 

[The]

The original series did it without a problem because it was a low-budget children's show with relatively poor writing.

1) the floating head title sequence were not very good

2) just becasue something was part of Classic Who is not a good enough reason to have it in new Who as welll, despite what some Classic series fans would have you believe.

This.

The Kandyman was shit. And I've been with Who since the late 70's.

The face thing is nostalgic, and I understand why some people could see it coming back and working. And it just could. But, I think the solitary nature of the main character is better served, mood-wise, to introduce his universe with a single, lonely Police Box barreling down the infinite time tunnel, forever traveling.

You show his face, and suddenly he's "The DOCTOR! STRANGE VISITOR FROM ANOTHER PLANET, SENT TO ENG--....EARTH TO FIGHT FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND TEA!!"

It just cheapens the show, in my opinion. I mean, why not bring back the Casio Keyboard theme songs while you're at it?

 

[Brendan Moody]

Is it worth pointing out that the sole source for this story was an anonymous e-mail sent to a website run by a man who has famously posted a bunch of DW related "scoops" which have turned out to be completely wrong in the past?

I hope it was worth pointing out, since I did so in the fourth post in the thread.

Setting aside the question whether putting the lead actor's face in the credits is tacky or inappropriate, I've never seen an argument for doing so that wasn't about nostalgia, and since Moffat seems far less likely to indulge in nostalgia for its own sake than RTD, I really can't see him deciding that the face in the credits is worthwhile.

 

[Neroon]

WHat makes you say that Moffat is "far less likely to indulge in nostalgia for its own sake"? I only ask because nuWho is the only work for either that I am familiar with, and I've only seen each of the four series once.

 

[wamdue]

hasnt he had elements from Doctor Who appear in his work before Doctor Who? if anything that suggests that he will "indulge in nostalgia" but I would like to think he is smart enough to know what is good and what is better about the Classic series.

 

[Brendan Moody]

Moffat often talks in interviews about how important it is to create "new nostalgia"-- new monsters and aliens and terrifying moments-- instead of reusing old ones. Whereas Davies, while he obviously has a very modern vision of the series and has introduced more new aliens than I think most people notice, likes to bring back the old icons and use them on a new series scale. I think we'll see less stuff from the past in the Moffat era than in the Davies years, and I'd extend that logic to stuff like a consciously nostalgic title design. But I could be wrong.

hasnt he had elements from Doctor Who appear in his work before Doctor Who?

Well, he gently mocked Doctor Who fans in Coupling and possibly elsewhere (as RTD did in Queer as Folk), but I don't think that reveals anything.

 

[wamdue]

RTDs went as far as to make one of his main characters a Doctor Who fan, and then give him a K9, me thinks RTDs is going to miss writing Doctor Who.

 

[DWF]

About the Kandyman, yeah he was silly but then he was meant to be stilly on orders from above JNT was told to add humor to the show and The Happiness Patrol was one example of it. It's also alittle unfair to the new series now with the end of the old series, where an entire season could cost as much as one ep. does now.

 

[Tomalak]

I've always felt the concept of the Kandyman was great. A grotesque, nightmarish take on a children's favourite is a classic Who idea. Sure, the execution was poor, but I don't hold it against the series. In fact, the ambition the writers showed against all budgetary wisdom is one of the things I love about Doctor Who.