Would the Dominion work as a villian?

[Jayson]

This name has popped up from time to time in discussion and the one thing that always comes to mind is having Micheal Emerson(Ben) from "Lost" playing a Vorta. They guy would be perfect for the role and that alone makes the idea viable. Well there is that and the fact the Jem-Haddar could translate well in terms of makeup and kewlness.

I could even think of ways of bringing in new aliens. The Dominion must have had aliens we have never seen before so the Dominion ship could have all sorts of exotic aliens that would be new to the audience,though the Vorta and Jem -Haddar would be new to most casual fans as well.

What if a jem-Haddr ship attacks a alien spacedock were various aliens from different species are working together to make the first Trans-Warp starship. They steal the ship even though they aren't complete, because they want to use it to get back to the GQ. Prime Spock contacts the Enterprise which is doing routine stuff because Starfleet doesn't trust Kirk yet as a captain since he is so young. Prime Spcock tells Kirk he needs to destroy the ship because if the Dominion gets hold of it they will be able to use transwarp drive to come back and conquer the AQ. Kirk breaks from orders and goes after the ship. Along the way he encounters a hot sexy female scientist who was working on the project and managed to escape the Jem-Haddar attack ,who thinks she can help Kirk stop the ship. She would be a new and exotic alien and love intrest for Kirk.

Eventually they destroy the ship and yadda yadda yadda. Kirk is giving his first mission. Starfleet has discovery a ship called the Botany Bay in space. They want Kirk to go and investigate and that is how the movie ends.

Jason

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

They're as good as any other villain I suppose.

Actually, the Changelings as villains would work better, as an infiltrating force. DS9 didn't do a lot with this.

 

[Photoman15]

Move to the future. NO aliens we've seen as (main) villians

 

[M'Sharak]

Would the Dominion work as a villian?

Proximity to the Bajoran Wormhole made contact with Gamma Quadrant races, societies and political entities plausible in DS9. With stories more or less limited to 23rd-century Federation space and immediately-surrounding regions, and further constrained by the ~two-hour running time of a theatrical film, I'm not sure I see a plausible way for the Dominion to work as a villain, even if the alternate timeline removes the prime-timeline premise that no one in the Federation would have known of the Dominion's existence for more than a hundred years yet. They're just too far away.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Only of it's a Borgified Dominion lead by an omnipotent Khan from the future, returning, rising, falling, attacking, or otherwise seeking revenge.

 

[flemm]

I don't think it would work. The Dominion were perfectly tailored to serve as a recurring villain on DS9 because they were a sort of mirror of the Federation, a group of species working as part of the same society and political structure. DS9's serial quality gave it time to explore that complexity, just as it explored the civilizations of the Alpha Quadrant.

I don't see that working in a movie. For a two-hour film you want something simple and direct, like the Klingons, Khan or the Borg.

 

[Jayson]

Move to the future. NO aliens we've seen as (main) villians

New aliens as the main villian would be a huge mistake. You don't have enough time to build them up and make them intresting,like you would if we were talking about a tv show. I just don't see why so many people are intrested in seeing another version of the Son'ya mistake. They might have cool makeup and ships but they will be pretty hollow in terms of any real depth.

Maybe if this movie was going to be about exploring a alien culture it would work, but we know the next movie will be a fun action-romp just like the first movie. Which is what the movies should be. You just don't have time to make a really intresting species you care about in the type of movie they will make IMO.

To not go with a more popular villian is sort of like going to a Lynard Skynard concert, only they don't play Free Bird. Sure you want to see some new songs from them but it's the classics that people really want to see.

Jason

 

[Jayson]

Would the Dominion work as a villian?

Proximity to the Bajoran Wormhole made contact with Gamma Quadrant races, societies and political entities plausible in DS9. With stories more or less limited to 23rd-century Federation space and immediately-surrounding regions, and further constrained by the ~two-hour running time of a theatrical film, I'm not sure I see a plausible way for the Dominion to work as a vallain, even if the alternate timeline removes the prime-timeline premise that no one in the Federation would have known of the Dominion's existence for more than a hundred years yet. They're just too far away.

How the Dominion ship got the AQ was something I wondered about as well. I always figured they could go with the idea that they were trying to create a stable wormhole and got stuck on the wrong side of the quadrant. Also the Federation wouldn't know about them but Prime Spock would. He would know the danger they present, especially since the Federation in this universe would proably loose in a war between the two powers.

Jason

 

[Jayson]

I don't think it would work. The Dominion were perfectly tailored to serve as a recurring villain on DS9 because they were a sort of mirror of the Federation, a group of species working as part of the same society and political structure. DS9's serial quality gave it time to explore that complexity, just as it explored the civilizations of the Alpha Quadrant.

I don't see that working in a movie. For a two-hour film you want something simple and direct, like the Klingons, Khan or the Borg.

I agree that the Dominion as a whole would be a bad idea. A single ship and crew that has been cut-off would work better IMO. Also the motivation of getting back home is pretty simply to digest and for once it's a motivation beyond revenge or trying to destroy earth. Even though earthy would sort of be imperil eventually if the Dominion eventually returned to conquer the AQ. I would proably not talk much about the FOunders though and their motivations so as to keep things kind of simple for the casul fans. All the fans need to know is that these aliens once went to war with the Federation and they will do it again it they can make it back.

Jason

 

[startrekwatcher]

I would not want Orc & Kurtzman near the Dominion. Behr, Wolfe, Beimler did a great job developing them over several seasons and along with the Borg have become one of my two favorite Trek adversaries. The Dominion would require more than one film to really develop them and I don't want them turned into a one note villian just for the purpose of action. And the writers don't strike me as the types capable of the kind of complex writing that would be required to do them justice and I don't see them providing a new interesting spin on them or improving on what DS9 did with them.

Finally, a reboot doesn't mean we have to go back to cribbing ideas from other Trek writers who were actually creative and original.

 

[BigJ]

no

 

[Jimmy_C]

Only of it's a Borgified Dominion lead by an omnipotent Khan from the future, returning, rising, falling, attacking, or otherwise seeking revenge.

FTW!

 

[Captain Fine]

NO Dominion please. I like the idea of Benjamin Linus as a Vorta, but this is TOS era. The Wormhole isn't going to be discovered until the next CENTURY! (indeed if it's discovered at all!)

I say this as someone who LOVED DS9 and enjoyed their portrayal in DS9. We don't need to revisit this particular race, especially not in this time period.

 

[Jayson]

NO Dominion please. I like the idea of Benjamin Linus as a Vorta, but this is TOS era. The Wormhole isn't going to be discovered until the next CENTURY! (indeed if it's discovered at all!)

I say this as someone who LOVED DS9 and enjoyed their portrayal in DS9. We don't need to revisit this particular race, especially not in this time period.

You know we could even drop the idea of using the jem'Haddar and just have Emerson as a Vorta who wants to get home. Maybe he is working with the Klingons who I think they are proably going to use in the next movie. That or Khan who they might also use.


Jason

 

[EnsignRicky]

Actually, forget about the Dominion, Jeffrey Combs could be a good villain for the sequel. Let him play a human and he'd be unrecognizable.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The Dominion would be a terrific villain. They strike right at the heart of the Federation's strength, namely that they aren't just another xenophobic, imperialistic pack of vicious morons tearing their way across the galaxy and of course making enemies right and left. The Romulans, Cardies and Klingons are all self-defeating that way. The Dominion isn't.

The Dominion sensibly allows member worlds a certain amount of freedom within their own spheres, encourages trade and the building of wealth, and offers defense. The only stipulation is that member worlds not challenge Dominion authority, but when you're getting what you want, why kick up a fuss?

In short, the Dominion offers the same basic deal the Feds do, but with the bonus of a war machine that is far more efficient and ruthless than Starfleet. The Dominion foot soldiers are all cloned and deliberately engineered to have no interests beyond serving the Founders; how can Starfleet beat that?

If the Cardies or Klingons are in the neighborhood, you have to worry about them stealing your stuff or colonizing your planet. Vortas and Jems have no interest in your stuff or your planet. They wouldn't even know what to do with them. You can trust them.

I like the idea of Benjamin Linus as a Vorta, but this is TOS era. The Wormhole isn't going to be discovered until the next CENTURY!

Old Spock can tell the Feds where the wormhole is; they just need spaceships that can get all the way out there.

 

[cybersoldier]

They could but I feel TOS villiam Khan, Doomsday machine, Vger should have any chance of being reboot first, and if they use any villians from TNG- The borg, DS9-The dominion, or Voyager-Species 8472, Enterprise-Sphere builders; they need a muli-film arc. But they should remain in their specific shows. But if you need to take an alien species from any of the other Trek show I think the aliens from conspiracy could work a mini civil war kirk vs spock if one one them gets infected if not them the sphere builders from Enterprise. Or do a newer version of Star Trek Generations with you could use either the borg or Dominion attempting to change the course of history. I know time travel is over used.

 

[Nerroth]

The Dominion would be great!

So would pre-occupation Bajor, which could become a significant member world for the Federation, to counteract what happened with Vulcan - unless, of course, Temis' idea of the kind of offer the Dominion might make sounds too good to turn down.

Plus, Bajor, with its conveniently-mysterious Orbs, isn't too far away from the 23rd century Federation.


(Which would mean the Cardies aren't that far away either. Hell, the Cardassian threat could be precisely why either Federation or Dominion membership might be appealing...)


Point the new timeline Enterprise in the right direction, and away you go.



And speaking of Changelings, what if one of the new-timeline Hundred is in Starfleet?

 

[Jeri]

Only of it's a Borgified Dominion lead by an omnipotent Khan from the future, returning, rising, falling, attacking, or otherwise seeking revenge.

Nice cliché festival.

 

[skep155]

I think it would be a bad idea because the mainstream public doesn't know who they are anyway so you might as well use a completely new species where we dont have to work within the confines of an already established mythology surrounding them.

We should sgo for a new species or an undeveloped one.