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will Old Spock destroy all TOS storylines? (movie spoilers)

Temis the Vorta

Temis the Vorta

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Old Spock knows about the Doomsday Machine headed for the Federation, about that annoying Khan guy floating in space, about the lunatic asylum that's been taken over by the inmates, and about that big, mobile chunk of rock whose nest must be protected from those clumsy miners.

So basically, nothing in TOS will happen that's fun, because Old Spock will solve the problems long before they become problems, right? :D What episodes are safe from the party-pooping rampages of Old Spock?
 
Temis the Vorta said:
Old Spock knows about the Doomsday Machine headed for the Federation, about that annoying Khan guy floating in space, about the lunatic asylum that's been taken over by the inmates, and about that big, mobile chunk of rock whose nest must be protected from those clumsy miners.

So basically, nothing in TOS will happen that's fun, because Old Spock will solve the problems long before they become problems, right? :D What episodes are safe from the party-pooping rampages of Old Spock?
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It's a good question, oft-repeated and debated. This is my interpretation, and I think the one that many are also relating:
The timelines exist in parallel. So we have "old", or "Prime" Spock, from the Prime timeline, that being the TV series and films we all know and love starring William Shatner.
Now, this Prime Spock has transported into the past of a parallel universe. So you're right, everything in that universe may unfold differently. Even before his arrival, things are quite different. In that future, Jean-luc could end up born a woman, Janeway a man. Things could be the same, similar, or radically different.
However, none of this "wipes out" the parallel, Prime timeline. Its not like a standard time travel episode. In those episodes, we're worried about timeline pollution, etc. But here, we have time travel PLUS travel into a parallel universe. So the old timeline is intact.
If Prime Spock traveled back to the Prime Reality, and then went back in (his) time, and muddled things up, then the original TOS would be theoretically jeopardized.
 
I think Mirror, Mirror is safe - in a sense. Spock knows he must send Kirk and an away team to the MU in order to make contact with MU Spock and help overthrown the Terran Empire, except this time hopefully not just making room for a Klingon-Bajoran-Cardassian empire to take over instead. :rommie:

Hmm, that one's actually gonna be pretty tricky to pull off, even knowing the future. So Old Spock will change the plotline by arranging the journey, but not as an accident, and planning strategy for it in advance, while briefing Kirk, Uhura, McCoy and Scotty on what to expect - if that's even the right team to send through - anyone but Spock is possible.

Or, conversely, send Spock thru alone, and that way MU Spock will become your "prisoner." What better way to convince him than to show him how logical your universe is in comparison to his?

Regardless of what they try, who knows what the impact might be? They can make their best guess and just see how it turns out.
However, none of this "wipes out" the parallel, Prime timeline. Its not like a standard time travel episode. In those episodes, we're worried about timeline pollution, etc. But here, we have time travel PLUS travel into a parallel universe. So the old timeline is intact.
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So I guess my question really is, what stories might we see in this new reality? Anything but the ones that we know Spock can already solve.

...and it's possible that all Trek time travel stories have also been parallel universe stories. ;) That's a favorite theory of mine: The gang time travels to the past, which unbeknownst to them, is the past of a different reality (because it's impossible to travel w/n your own timeline, to avoid the grandfather paradox). They change something by accident, and fear for their own future. So they fix what they changed, return to their own time/reality, and phew! Everything's ok again. Except it was never in danger! :rommie:

And that's the way it does have to happen because if you changed your own past, you could never repair the timeline exactly as it had been, any more than you can unscramble an egg.
 
He's already started! Broke down my front door, smashed my Art Asylum TOS Enterprise, ripped all the TOS Trek DVDs off the shelves and tossed my TOS books in the fireplace!

The man was a menace, I tell you!

Actually, I don't think he'll do anything in this timeline but help the Vulcans settle their new colony and work to get that up and running, to kind of become the new Surak, as it were.
 
Actually, I don't think he'll do anything in this timeline but help the Vulcans settle their new colony and work to get that up and running, to kind of become the new Surak, as it were.
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Why not just debrief Starfleet on the various threats he can predict will happen and then depart for the Vulcan colony? His actual work doesn't need to be extensive, and he doesn't need to even be on-sceren.
 
Spock will not warn anyone about anything. He'll help the colony and teach and perhaps continue his 'reunification' work. He will stay out of history's way as much as possible.
 
Middle Earther said:
Spock will not warn anyone about anything. He'll help the colony and teach and perhaps continue his 'reunification' work. He will stay out of history's way as much as possible.
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He's already changed history so why should he stay out of its way? Anyway, I think the strong implication is that he's in an alternate reality, so it ain't his history anyhow.

Not to warn Starfleet of probable threats (on the assumption that the way Spock has changed history will have no impact on, for instance, the Doomsday Machine) would be a dereliction of duty.
 
I think some things he'll let happen on his own. Sure they might be able to send a task force to destroy the probe before it becomes a problem, but then new spock wouldn't be able to get jiggy with the whale in the tank. Sure he could give the federation future tech to protect them from klingons and romulans, but then the federation might become impirialistic. Spock probably understands that alot of those events he could stop were like character builders for the federation.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
Old Spock knows about the Doomsday Machine headed for the Federation, about that annoying Khan guy floating in space, about the lunatic asylum that's been taken over by the inmates, and about that big, mobile chunk of rock whose nest must be protected from those clumsy miners.

So basically, nothing in TOS will happen that's fun, because Old Spock will solve the problems long before they become problems, right? :D What episodes are safe from the party-pooping rampages of Old Spock?
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No.
 
Middle Earther said:
Spock will not warn anyone about anything. He'll help the colony and teach and perhaps continue his 'reunification' work. He will stay out of history's way as much as possible.
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I disagree. Spock points out in the film that Vulcans are now an endangered species, with only ten thousand or more left in the galaxy. It would only be logical for Spock Prime to inform Starfleet of various threats to safeguard the remnants of his people. Send a warp bomb to destroy the Doomsday Machine. Search for the Botany Bay and have it towed into a Starbase safely. Things like that.
 
I don't see why Spock needs to take personal command of Vulcan II - surely the Federation will help establish the new Vulcan colony and provide all the protection they need. Spock's unique competence is in knowing the future. Starfleet would be insane not to make use of that, for everyone's good.
 
I don't think Spock would have to take command of it, no, but I do think that he would logically want to do anything he could to ensure the survival of what remained of his people. And if that means passing on to Starfleet a detailed list of threats that the Federation will face, Spock would do so because it is logical. :)
 
Allyn Gibson said:
I don't think Spock would have to take command of it, no, but I do think that he would logically want to do anything he could to ensure the survival of what remained of his people. And if that means passing on to Starfleet a detailed list of threats that the Federation will face, Spock would do so because it is logical. :)
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Why would he need to though? I mean how many things really threatened the vulcan people except the space ameoba? The most he'd really ever have to do is say "Nope, not there! It's gonna be eaten by a doomsday machine." And even then I doubt he'd really have to say why. They'd probably just take him at his word.
 
I think if Spock started talking about the future some evil dude would get wind of it and come after him.
 
Shazam! said:
I think if Spock started talking about the future some evil dude would get wind of it and come after him.
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I think I know what the next movie will be about!:D
Temis the Vorta said:
I don't see why Spock needs to take personal command of Vulcan II - surely the Federation will help establish the new Vulcan colony and provide all the protection they need. Spock's unique competence is in knowing the future. Starfleet would be insane not to make use of that, for everyone's good.
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Vulcan II? Really?:vulcan:
 
Uncle Spock doesn't know the future because the future will play out differently. Besides, they did well enough in the last timeline, I'd assume they do well again here. IF I were Uncle Spock and I foresaw some dangers for the Federation and Earth, I'd try to take care of them all simply myself. Failing that a briefing to Starfleet should do the trick.

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Sure the "future" (post-2258 alternate reality) is different, and alot of things won't happen (M-5 for instance). There are things that were already in motion pre-2233 that could not have been changed, like V'Ger, the Whale Probe, Nomad, the planet killer, et cetera.

The mirror universe contact won't happen (at least not in the way shown) because it's very unlikely for the Enterprise to be in the "same place, same time" in 2267. I don't think Khan is that big of a threat in reality. Sure, he might take over a ship someday, but what's the worst he could do? I doubt his eighty comrades could dismantle the Federation, and there are undoubtedly stronger, and yes, smarter species out there than those few "supermen."

Spock'll probably give Starfleet a briefing on how to stop the bigger menaces and then retire to his Vulcan colony, which I still prefer to call the "Vulcanis Lunar Colony."
 
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