Bob Orci open to the possibility of Khan

[pookha]

no, no in the opening shot we see the doomsday machine just eat the botany bay including khan.



as for the reboot..
i was against a total reboot but i feel more comfortable with what they did.
the characters amazingly enough are so close to what we saw in tos.
the parallel universe concept has introduced the element of suspense but for me i like the idea that original tos universe was acknowledged to still be out there too.

 

[Praetor]

Yeah, that was my path too. At first I said "no, no, no" but once it seemed they had a plan, a reboot was fine by me. I started thinking about all the episodes that felt like letdowns lately and all the crap that seemed to get in the way of telling good stories, and said "the hell with it."

They'd better not squander the opportunity!

 

[Too Much Fun]

As I've always thought about movies and re-makes, people should only remake things that are good or bad with potential to be better, or things that make sense to remake for the purpose of them reaching a wider audience. For example, "Infernal Affairs" was good, but re-making it wasn't a bad idea, because by remaking it in English, the story could reach more people to whom foreign movies are unavailable or unappealing.

"The Wrath of Khan" (as well as "Space Seed", as far as I'm concerned) and its characters/story are fine the way they are. There's nothing to be gained from remaking them or trying to invent a new story with their same characters, which are perfect in their original incarnations. The Joker in the original Batman movie was iconic in his own right, but there was enough depth and history behind that character to make a new interpretation of the character almost twenty years later not seem redundant or unnecessary.

On the other hand, if they took a Star Trek episode with a good story and characters that suffers in retrospect due to limitations of the time, they'd have something. Think about episodes where special effects were a good idea, badly executed because it was the 60s. Or an episode where the story was a clever/intelligent/creative premise limited by the 50 minute television time constraints. Those that showed potential to be better if they were fleshed out or had better f/x are the ideal candidates. The question is, are there any episodes that fit this criteria?

 

[Chindogu]

As I've always thought about movies and re-makes, people should only remake things that are good or bad with potential to be better, or things that make sense to remake for the purpose of them reaching a wider audience. For example, "Infernal Affairs" was good, but re-making it wasn't a bad idea, because by remaking it in English, the story could reach more people to whom foreign movies are unavailable or unappealing.

"The Wrath of Khan" (as well as "Space Seed", as far as I'm concerned) and its characters/story are fine the way they are. There's nothing to be gained from remaking them or trying to invent a new story with their same characters, which are perfect in their original incarnations. The Joker in the original Batman movie was iconic in his own right, but there was enough depth and history behind that character to make a new interpretation of the character almost twenty years later not seem redundant or unnecessary.

On the other hand, if they took a Star Trek episode with a good story and characters that suffers in retrospect due to limitations of the time, they'd have something. Think about episodes where special effects were a good idea, badly executed because it was the 60s. Or an episode where the story was a clever/intelligent/creative premise limited by the 50 minute television time constraints. Those that showed potential to be better if they were fleshed out or had better f/x are the ideal candidates. The question is, are there any episodes that fit this criteria?

Spock's Brain

 

[Anticitizen]

The Joker is also a bad comparison because NuBatman is a TRUE reboot. It's a whole reinterpretation on the character, his story, motives, etc. That is not comparable to what's going on with Trek.

 

[I am not Spock]

I don't think reusing Khan is a good idea personally, but I think they will probably go with him for the sequel. If Trek has to plunder from the past, there are a lot worse things to remake than Space Seed or TWOK.

If we're especially unlucky, we may get Spocks Brain: The Movie, guest starring Beyonce Knowles, or something like that.

I would like to see Russell Crowe as Garth of Izar, actually. Or Ricky Gervais as Harry Mudd. Or Ed Harris as Ron Tracey.

 

[I am not Spock]

One thing I like about the Abrams verse is that all bets are off. We no longer know who will die, or what characters will show up.

Imagine a Doomsday Machine movie. That would be so awesome. I would like to see Bruce Greenwood as Pike, again, actually. Who would you cast as Matt Decker? I think Tom Hanks. He's a big Trek fan.

 

[Australis]

Ooo, yes, Hanks as Decker, I like!

(waits for people to rubbish it).

 

[Praetor]

Rubbish!

Just kidding. I really like it, too. Imagine Hanks saying: "Right out of hell... I saw it!!!"

 

[ChristopherPike]

Kinda curious: there must have been a poll way back while XI was filming, asking who wanted a reboot or not. I wonder if it was so lopsided against a reboot.

I was against and even having seen the film, I still am actually. For me the alternate reality should simply have been a way to introduce these characters, not be the end product. But since I have no influence on returning Star Trek to its Prime Universe, all I can do make suggestions that fit their rulebook. Maybe take comfort in what goes around... somewhere years down the road, they'll be a new producer explaining to aging cheerleaders how their boxset of JJ Abrams movies will still exist despite their plans to start all over again.

 

[indranee]

As I've always thought about movies and re-makes, people should only remake things that are good or bad with potential to be better, or things that make sense to remake for the purpose of them reaching a wider audience. For example, "Infernal Affairs" was good, but re-making it wasn't a bad idea, because by remaking it in English, the story could reach more people to whom foreign movies are unavailable or unappealing.

"The Wrath of Khan" (as well as "Space Seed", as far as I'm concerned) and its characters/story are fine the way they are. There's nothing to be gained from remaking them or trying to invent a new story with their same characters, which are perfect in their original incarnations. The Joker in the original Batman movie was iconic in his own right, but there was enough depth and history behind that character to make a new interpretation of the character almost twenty years later not seem redundant or unnecessary.

On the other hand, if they took a Star Trek episode with a good story and characters that suffers in retrospect due to limitations of the time, they'd have something. Think about episodes where special effects were a good idea, badly executed because it was the 60s. Or an episode where the story was a clever/intelligent/creative premise limited by the 50 minute television time constraints. Those that showed potential to be better if they were fleshed out or had better f/x are the ideal candidates. The question is, are there any episodes that fit this criteria?

Spock's Brain

 

[Bonzo the Fifth]

As I've always thought about movies and re-makes, people should only remake things that are good or bad with potential to be better, or things that make sense to remake for the purpose of them reaching a wider audience. For example, "Infernal Affairs" was good, but re-making it wasn't a bad idea, because by remaking it in English, the story could reach more people to whom foreign movies are unavailable or unappealing.

"The Wrath of Khan" (as well as "Space Seed", as far as I'm concerned) and its characters/story are fine the way they are. There's nothing to be gained from remaking them or trying to invent a new story with their same characters, which are perfect in their original incarnations. The Joker in the original Batman movie was iconic in his own right, but there was enough depth and history behind that character to make a new interpretation of the character almost twenty years later not seem redundant or unnecessary.

On the other hand, if they took a Star Trek episode with a good story and characters that suffers in retrospect due to limitations of the time, they'd have something. Think about episodes where special effects were a good idea, badly executed because it was the 60s. Or an episode where the story was a clever/intelligent/creative premise limited by the 50 minute television time constraints. Those that showed potential to be better if they were fleshed out or had better f/x are the ideal candidates. The question is, are there any episodes that fit this criteria?

Spock's Brain

That's funny.

But it does bring up a good point about that... There really aren't any stories in TOS that suffered due to lack of FX prowess. They suffered due to bad writing and bad ideas augmented by bad writing. Fortunately or unfortunately, if they're not going to create something entirely original (which I have my own problems with), it's going to involve using one of the more popular episodes/characters. I vote definite DO NOT WANT on The Doomsday Machine... we've just watched it, don't want to see it again. As such, that rules out Decker, as he was only a villian because he was crazy, and he was crazy because of the Doomsday machine. Making a big sprawling epic involving Klingon's seems like a terrible idea, too, for most of the same reasons people are nixing Khan out of hand (been done, dont' want to see more... no new ground...etc.). Mitchell has been similarly ruled out due to the timeline. And I do NOT want to see any God-like aliens in this nu-verse. To quote John Crichton: "I HATE God-like aliens".

Throw out the crap storylines like 'Catspaw' or 'Spock's Brain' or ones that haven't aged well and lack modern day relevance, like 'Turnabout Intruder', and it doesn't leave much to go with in terms of retread territory. Klingon's, Romulans, and Khan. As the next movie really needs a personal nemesis in order to sell it, I'm going with Khan, especially since, as I mentioned in a different thread, his themes involving genetic engineering, human advancement and Transhumanism, are things that actually ARE relevent today and would make fine fodder for the more intellectual thought experimentation that was sorely missing from this film, while still allowing for action and drama.

That's not saying it's the idea 'I' would have gone with, but if they're going to do it anyway, there are far worse ideas, and it could be made to work if done properly.

 

[Checkmate]

I don't want Khan because I don't want any retread stories from TOS. And really, Khan kills Spock and it stick until the following movie? Khan killed Spock because Nimoy wasn't under contract for the following movie. Anybody see Paramount going along with that now?

When the hell did Khan kill Spock?

Sacrificing yourself to save your friends is not the same as someone killing you. Not by a long shot.

 

[Prons]

No reason to have Khan, because there's no back story for it. Unless they make ST12 about the Eugenics war, but I doubt it.

 

[FanFanatic]

I am curious about Scotty's statement in the outpost about beaming a grapefruit from one planet to another being easy. In TOS, they could not do that. In the show's "bible", I believe it says the transporter was limited to a range of approximately 16,000 miles. Not from planet to planet. Now, with Spock Prime providing Scotty with his future "formula", they can beam onto a ship travelling at warp, many lightyears away. You should not even have to be in orbit to "beam down". Of course, when Kirk & Scotty beam aboard the Enterprise, it was not perfect, with Scotty ending up in the water tank. This was the first time though, using the new technology.
Once Scotty has had time to tweak the new formula, there will probably be less and less "accidents". (Remember, in Generations, the Enterprise-B
had to get in close to beam out Soran's people.) This new technology may have opened up a new khan of worms!

 

[Aragorn]

Would it be a twist if there was a bigger plot going on during the course of discovering Botany Bay, and whatever was going on caused Khan to become good or at least do the right thing?

 

[Jon1701]

I'm in the minority.

I've never in the minority...

I always have my finger on the Star Trek pulse. Hmmm...

Time to get vocal I think.

 

[Jeri]

...Now, with Spock Prime providing Scotty with his future "formula", they can beam onto a ship travelling at warp, many lightyears away...This new technology may have opened up a new khan of worms!

I thought so, too; I thought they were going to be sorry and wish transporters weren't quite so capable.

But I read in Orci's Q&A that it's not really a worry, because even with Spock at the controls, it didn't work very well. Scotty almost got killed, he reminded. So, they don't think they will be necessarily having to use that.

 

[Captain Pike]

Uh, yeah but what about Scotty beaming Kirk & Spock from Enterprise near Titan onto the Narada in Earth orbit ?

 

[Jeri]

^ ^ Remember Scotty's line: if there's any logic to Romulan design, you'll be in the cargo bay with not a soul around.

Not exactly.